Biblical Mary!

[IndigoChild5559]

Okay. You believe your source, I believe mine. The difference is that you are looking for the information to back your claim that the Catholic church was first, but I am not trying to find an answer that proves my denomination. Therefore, I believe what I have shown to be the truth.

You just don't get it. I REALLY DON'T CARE which denomination IF ANY was the original church. I'm a Jew, not a Christian. I have NO DOG IN THIS RACE.

My ONLY concern here is that history be accurately portrayed.

I get no personal benefit out of concluding that the first century church was Catholic just as I don't get personal benefit out of knowing Thomas Jefferson penned the Declaration of Independence. If new evidence came to light that showed my conclusions to be incorrect, I would happily change my mind.

But as the evidence stands right now, that's the only possible conclusion I can reach.

You, on the other hand, have a vested interest in me being wrong. You have a huge emotional attachment to your opinion. You will stick to it come hell or high water, because to admit I'm right would undermine your religious beliefs. It is you, sir, that only looks for information that backs your claim.

Classic projection on your part.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

lipping the end...

Catholic applied is simply “universal” - not denominational unless you want to apply it in context of 16th century and not what is written in the 1st century.

The first word is simply:

Strong's Greek: 1577. ἐκκλησία (ekklésia) -- an assembly, a (religious) congregation

If you are talking about the second century - it simply and correctly means “universal” - before the denomination was created

I notice you are switching the argument. Can I assume this is because you now concede that Ignatius did indeed label the church the Catholic Church in his first century letter to the Smyrnaeans?

 

[Kenny]

I notice you are switching the argument. Can I assume this is because you now concede that Ignatius did indeed label the church the Catholic Church in his first century letter to the Smyrnaeans?

No… I actually mentioned it, if I am not mistaken. If it is 1st century it is “universal” - as in it is all over the known world as it is today

 

[Dimi95]

@jimb
Just to be clear , Catholic is no denomination.
Catholic means all-embracing.
The first Church was in Jerusalem as Acts records.

 

[Kathryn]

The Catholic Church is not a denomination of Christianity.

 

[jimb]

You just don't get it. I REALLY DON'T CARE which denomination IF ANY was the original church. I'm a Jew, not a Christian. I have NO DOG IN THIS RACE.

My ONLY concern here is that history be accurately portrayed.

I get no personal benefit out of concluding that the first century church was Catholic just as I don't get personal benefit out of knowing Thomas Jefferson penned the Declaration of Independence. If new evidence came to light that showed my conclusions to be incorrect, I would happily change my mind.

But as the evidence stands right now, that's the only possible conclusion I can reach.

You, on the other hand, have a vested interest in me being wrong. You have a huge emotional attachment to your opinion. You will stick to it come hell or high water, because to admit I'm right would undermine your religious beliefs. It is you, sir, that only looks for information that backs your claim.

Classic projection on your part.

a) I am also a Jew! (As was Yeshua and all the authors of the Bible (with one exception: Luke))
b) My "opinions" are based on researchable facts.
c) Your opinion of me is of no importance.

 

[jimb]

@jimb
Just to be clear , Catholic is no denomination.
Catholic means all-embracing.
The first Church was in Jerusalem as Acts records.

"catholic" (small c) means a) of broad or liberal scope; comprehensive or b) including or concerning all humankind; universal.

Catholic (capitalized) means: of or involving the Roman Catholic Church.

The Catholic "church" is a denomination. "Catholicism is a denomination of Christianity, but holds the essence of a separate religion with unique beliefs and practices. Catholicism is a pillar of ancient tradition and unwavering devotion, forming part of the vibrant and complex Christian tapestry."

 

[IndigoChild5559]

No… I actually mentioned it, if I am not mistaken. If it is 1st century it is “universal” - as in it is all over the known world as it is today

Of course it means universal. The Catholic Church today means the Universal Church. What is your point?

 

[Dimi95]

"catholic" (small c) means a) of broad or liberal scope; comprehensive or b) including or concerning all humankind; universal.

This is true
However the most correct term is 'all-embracing'

The word Catholic is derived from the Greek adjective, katholikos, meaning 'universal' and from the adverbial phrase, kath' holou, meaning 'on the whole.'

I would try to show you why is the most correct , but do you understand Greek?

Catholic (capitalized) means: of or involving the Roman Catholic Church.

This is false.

The Eastern Orthodox Church is officially the Orthodox Catholic Church.

The Catholic "church" is a denomination.

False , the Catholic Church is the church originated from the Apostoles.
Only the Roman and the Orthodox Church have the right on that claim , historically speaking.

"Catholicism is a denomination of Christianity,

Again false

Catholic - all-embracing
ism - distinctive practice, system, or philosophy,

but holds the essence of a separate religion with unique beliefs and practices.

Christianity is not entirely a religion , it is firstly a belief in one man that claimed to be God.

Religion means to practice certain rules..

Catholicism is a pillar of ancient tradition and unwavering devotion, forming part of the vibrant and complex Christian tapestry."

This is partly true however since you mentioned 'forming part'.
Catholicism is no part it is 'all' by definition.

 

[Kenny]

Of course it means universal. The Catholic Church today means the Universal Church. What is your point?

Nothing more than what I stated.

 

[jimb]

Of course it means universal. The Catholic Church today means the Universal Church. What is your point?

The Catholic "Church" today is a denomination. There are others, e.g., Orthodox, Protestant.

 

[Dimi95]

The Catholic "Church" today is a denomination. There are others, e.g., Orthodox, Protestant.

Can i ask why you are consistent while you were proven otherwise by few people here?
The Roman Church is denomination , Eastern and Oriental Orthodox , Protestant Church also.

Roman Catholic Church
Orthodox Catholic Church

Does not that alone tell you enough?

 

[jimb]

Can i ask why you are consistent while you were proven otherwise by few people here?
The Roman Church is denomination , Eastern and Oriental Orthodox , Protestant Church also.

Roman Catholic Church
Orthodox Catholic Church

Does not that alone tell you enough?

No, it doesn't.

The Eastern Orthodox Church, officially the Orthodox Catholic Church, and also called the Greek Orthodox Church or simply the Orthodox Church, is the second-largest Christian church.

Those are four descriptions of the Orthodox Church, only one of which is what you say. What is your point?

 

[Dimi95]

No, it doesn't.

The Eastern Orthodox Church, officially the Orthodox Catholic Church, and also called the Greek Orthodox Church or simply the Orthodox Church, is the second-largest Christian church.

Those are three descriptions of the Orthodox Church, only one of which is what you say. What is your point?

What says by ofiicially?

 

[jimb]

Can i ask why you are consistent while you were proven otherwise by few people here?
The Roman Church is denomination , Eastern and Oriental Orthodox , Protestant Church also.

Roman Catholic Church
Orthodox Catholic Church

Does not that alone tell you enough?

No, it doesn't.

The Eastern Orthodox Church, officially the Orthodox Catholic Church, and also called the Greek Orthodox Church or simply the Orthodox Church, is the second-largest Christian church.

Those are four descriptions of the Orthodox Church, only one of which is what you say. What is your point?

 

[jimb]

What says by ofiicially?

What does that mean in English?

 

[Dimi95]

What does that mean in English?

How do you mean what it says?

The Roman Church considers to be the original Catholic Church
The same for Orthodox Church.
How does that make Catholic Church denomination?

The Catholic Church originates from the direct succesors of the Apostoles which makes it the original Church and no denominatiom at all.

 

[Dimi95]

What does that mean in English?

Also
Denomination is recognized autonomous branch of the Christian Church.
That means the Catholic Church

 

[jimb]

There are 3 main Christian denominations: Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestant.

 

[Dimi95]

There are 3 main Christian denominations: Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestant.

Correct
But Catholic Church alone is no denomination.