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  1. gnostic

    "Reality is not what you perceive it to be. Instead, it's what the tools and methods of science reveal."

    And which philosophy would that be? You do realise that there are hundreds of philosophies, today, and hundreds more in the past that are no longer followed? And more often than not, they disagreed with each other. Most of them are useless and outdated, while others are very superficial, so...
  2. gnostic

    "Reality is not what you perceive it to be. Instead, it's what the tools and methods of science reveal."

    Wrong beliefs of theists, are those who believe that their scriptures (whether it be Bible or Quran) are books on the “science of nature”. These theists are more often creationists. I don think @F1fan have any problems with other theists like @Dan From Smithville , @metis, @shunyadragon and...
  3. gnostic

    "Reality is not what you perceive it to be. Instead, it's what the tools and methods of science reveal."

    Why are you bringing up atheism into this? The only focus of atheism is that people (atheists) these people question the theists’ beliefs in their deities. The atheists themselves, either don’t believe in any god, or they lack the belief - nothing more, nothing less. Atheism is no more science...
  4. gnostic

    "Reality is not what you perceive it to be. Instead, it's what the tools and methods of science reveal."

    I agree with your post except the part I highlighted. The part that I agree with, if I reworded the last line: “…and consciousness is the tool by which we struggle to understand the universe.” Well, at least the parts of universe that are observable to us. What we actually observe is only...
  5. gnostic

    The Bible seems to always promote a flat earth belief over a spherical earth

    Yes, it is the same with Egyptian and Babylonian religions and myths. It have to with their own lands. In Egyptian myth, the primeval waters (personified as Nu or Nun) existed, before Atum or Ra created dry land. That 1st land was a mound, which is Heliopolis, a city sacred to Atum (later it...
  6. gnostic

    The Bible seems to always promote a flat earth belief over a spherical earth

    The problem is using the word circle or circular, is not recognising that circle is 2-dimensional shape, not 3-dimensional. If you looking at 3-dimension geometric shapes, then there cube, box, prism, pyramid, cone, cylinder, sphere, spheroid, etc. while circle exist in 3D sphere, they also...
  7. gnostic

    How do you detect "design"?

    You are editorialising and misconstruing what Einstein said. Einstein wasn’t talking about the Universe, when he said “God is not playing at dice”. There was no “universe“ in that statement. He was referring to quantum mechanics, of how the nature of randomness of quantum or subatomic...
  8. gnostic

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    Miracles that defy law of nature, would of course not be classified as natural. in my last post, I said it as much, not just with water into wine, but also a couple of other examples, like creation of light from nothing or from words, and transforming soil into man… …neither of these are...
  9. gnostic

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    Transforming (just) water into wine, “isn’t natural”. Likewise, creating light from just words - “Let there be light” - that “isn’t natural”. Light don’t come from words, nor from nothing. Light requires a source, eg from the sun, from charged particles or charged molecules (ionized atoms or...
  10. gnostic

    Irony of the evolutionary belief

    I'd guess it depends on which cheeks are you talking about ?
  11. gnostic

    The Irony of Creationist belief

    Genesis 1:20-22 say that birds and marine life (eg fishes, octopuses, etc) were created in the same time. but how is that earliest fossils of birds (class Aves) of the late Cretaceous around 72 million years ago, don’t come anywhere near the earliest fossils of bony fish (superclass...
  12. gnostic

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    That’s what I would call embellishments.
  13. gnostic

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    it isn’t beyond any knowledge as to how wine are made, Brey. People in that region - the Levant, or the entire Near East for millennia before Jesus in the gospel of John. They knew how to make wine, as well as other al beverages (eg beer or ale, mead, etc), and they did so without science...
  14. gnostic

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    Well, here we’re in agreement…which is rare, especially when talk about the differences of religion vs nature.
  15. gnostic

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    It is not about there being various interpretations of Quantum Entanglement. There are no bringing wine from another place & time to Jesus, as you have claim. That's not entangled pair in Quantum Physics. Your version has nothing to do with Quantum Physics; your version is simply a very...
  16. gnostic

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    Do you understand that that plant cells (the part of the cells called chlorophyll) in the leave, would chemically convert water and carbon dioxide into sugar and oxygen, by using the sunlight is the energy required to cause this chain reaction of H2O & CO2? sugar is the nutrients that plants to...
  17. gnostic

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    Aborigines not know what iPhone is, or knowing how the device is made, doesn’t make it magic or miracle. This is totally different from John 2’s miracle. Whoever wrote this gospel is just inventing a miraculous transformation, when we know that all the civilisations in the early Roman Empire...
  18. gnostic

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    Sorry, but that’s not how Quantum Entanglement works. QE isn’t about transferring wine from another place & from another time, to Jesus’ present at the wedding. You are just making things up that are unrelated to Entanglement. QE only state that if a particle vibrate or spin certain way, it...
  19. gnostic

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    I am not the best person to talk of advanced modern physics, as my university education was limited to the applied sciences in civil engineering & in computer science (although I did learned some basics in electromagnetic fields for network communication, such as lasers being used in fibre...
  20. gnostic

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    That’s what I’ve been trying to get at, which you have done so brilliantly brief. I agreed. Not necessarily. I think your middle & last lines, says it all. Wine making don’t require scientific explanations, as people with vineyards have been making wine contemporary to the 1st century...
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