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Yajurveda: "6.21 mentions a number of sciences". Is it true?

paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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Aupmanyav said:
I have mentioned it earlier also and I mention it now too. Your basic problem is that you have chosen a very wrong book as your reference - Devi Chand of Ary Samaj. See here is what I get from Ralph Griffith (and that is the reason Secred-Texts.com has not selected Devi Chand's translation). Arya Samaj has done a totally incorrect translation of YajurVeda - It is hugely misleading.
Ralph Griffith (White YajurVeda Chapter VI, Verse 21):
Go to the sea. All-hail! Go to the air. All-hail! Go to God Savitar. All hail!
Go thou to Mitra-Varuna. All-hail! Go thou to Day and Night. All-hail!
Go to the Metres. till-hail! Go to Heaven and Earth. All-hail!
Go to the sacrifice. All-hail! Go to Soma. All-hail!
Go to the heavenly ether. All-hail! Go to Vaisvânara
Agni. All hail! Bestow upon me mind and heart.
Thy smoke mount to the sky, to heaven thy lustre.
Fill thou the spacious earth full with thine ashes.
There is no Geography, History, Astronomy, in this. I do not know where from the Arya Samaj people get that! Dump Devi Chand's book. Read something sane.
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When did Ralph Griffith translate and publish his translation of Yajurveda? Please
Regards
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Aupmanyav said:
I have mentioned it earlier also and I mention it now too. Your basic problem is that you have chosen a very wrong book as your reference - Devi Chand of Ary Samaj. See here is what I get from Ralph Griffith (and that is the reason Secred-Texts.com has not selected Devi Chand's translation). Arya Samaj has done a totally incorrect translation of YajurVeda - It is hugely misleading.

Ralph Griffith (White YajurVeda Chapter VI, Verse 21):

Go to the sea. All-hail! Go to the air. All-hail! Go to God Savitar. All hail!
Go thou to Mitra-Varuna. All-hail! Go thou to Day and Night. All-hail!
Go to the Metres. till-hail! Go to Heaven and Earth. All-hail!
Go to the sacrifice. All-hail! Go to Soma. All-hail!
Go to the heavenly ether. All-hail! Go to Vaisvânara
Agni. All hail! Bestow upon me mind and heart.
Thy smoke mount to the sky, to heaven thy lustre.
Fill thou the spacious earth full with thine ashes.

There is no Geography, History, Astronomy, in this. I do not know where from the Arya Samaj people get that! Dump Devi Chand's book. Read something sane.
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Did one see the book "From Bharata to India: Volume 1: Chrysee the Golden" by M.K.Agarwal: page 243? He mentions all these sciences in Veda that I gave in post #1
and post #6 . I just gave quotations from Yajurveda as given by M.K.Agarwal. Right? Please

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Vinayaka

Vinayaka

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Premium Member
Aupmanyav said:
It may be old but it is not intentionally dishonest. :)
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I agree with this. It isn't intentional.

But then lots of stuff that isn't intentional still does a lot of harm to other societies. One has to look at the imperialistic mindset at the time. The aggressive proselytizing religions in India actually believe they are saving us too. So it's okay to break up families if one of the husband/wife duo is saved.
 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
paarsurrey said:
I just gave quotations from Yajurveda as given by M.K.Agarwal. Right?
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NOT RIGHT. Why is this not getting into your head (thick skull) that a Hindu is not bound by what others say. He MAY OR MAY NOT agree to that. And to have different views is not considered 'Kufr' in Hinduism (to a great extent).
Vinayaka said:
So it's okay to break up families if one of the husband/wife duo is saved.
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Yes, there were such forces also, but most indologists were not that. They were were historians and archaeologists who even traveled far distances facing all types of dangers in quest of truth. To replace their work with chauvinist Hindu crap as of Frawley also is not correct.
 
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paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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paarsurrey said: ↑
I just gave quotations from Yajurveda as given by M.K.Agarwal. Right?
Aupmanyav said:
NOT RIGHT. Why is this not getting into your head (thick skull) that a Hindu is not bound by what others say. He MAY OR MAY NOT agree to that. And to have different views is not considered 'Kufr' in Hinduism (to a great extent).
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Don't be angry, please. Did I say that one must agree with M.K.Agarwal?
Everybody could agree or disagree with any body or everybody.
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Jainarayan

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
Vinayaka said:
In some cases its not that everybody COULD disagree, but its that everyone DOES disagree.
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If I opened this 2 seconds sooner there would be coffee all over my monitor.
 
Milton Platt

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
paarsurrey said:
"Yajurveda 6.21 mentions a number of sciences"
"From Bharata to India: Volume 1: Chrysee the Golden" by M.K.Agarwal: page 243.

Yajurveda Chapter IV Verse 21
21. O disciple, a student in the science of government, sail in
oceans in steamers, fly in the air in aeroplanes, know God the Creator
through the vedas, control thy breath through yoga, through astronomy
know the functions of day and night, know all the Vedas, Rig, Yajur,
Sama, and Atharva, by means of their constituent parts.

Through astronomy, geography, and geology go thou to all the
different countries of the world under the sun. Mayest thou attain
through good preaching to statesmanship and artisanship, through medical
science obtain knowledge of all medicinal plants, through hydrostatics,
learn the different uses of water, through electricity understand the
working of ever-lustrous lightning. Carry out my instructions willingly.
May the smoke of thy yajna and military machines reach the sun, and
may their flames go up to heaven ; and may thou cover the earth with
the ashes, the residue of thy yajna.​
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt
Thread open to everybody from religion or no-religion.
Regards
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So do any number of science fiction books. What was your point???
 
Milton Platt

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
Jainarayan said:
If I opened this 2 seconds sooner there would be coffee all over my monitor.
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We all disagree with that statement....LOL
paarsurrey said:
Yajurveda: mentions a number of sciences. Is it true?

Yajurveda Chapter x:19
19. O royal skilled engineer, construct sea-boats, propelled on
water by our experts, and aeroplanes, moving and flying up-ward, after
the clouds that reside in the mid-region, that fly as the boats move on the
sea, that fly high over and below the watery clouds. Be thou, thereby, be
prosperous in this world created by the Omnipresent God, and flier in both
air, and lightning.
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt
Regards

P.S. I am at Chapter X of Yajurveda, read about 122 pages out of 500+ of it.
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1. How do we know the translation is any good???

2. Why does it actually matter???
 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
paarsurrey said:
I just gave quotations from Yajurveda as given by M.K.Agarwal. Right? Did I say that one must agree with M.K.Agarwal?
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I am not angry, but you see the M. K. Agrawal problem is solved. One does not need to agree to YajurVeda in what M. K. Agrawal has translated. There is no such compulsion in Hinduism. :)

Paarsurrey, your problem still is Devi Chand. It is just not possible to make sense out of Devi Chand's translation. See here Griffith's translation:

Forth from the summit of the bull, the mountain, pouring spontaneously, the ships keep moving.
They, lifted up, have turned them back and downward, still flowing onward, after Ahirbudhnya.
Thou art the stepping-forth of Vishnu: thou art Vishnu's outstep; Vishnu's step art thou.

The meaning as I understand it: 1. The run has risen and is moving towards the zenith.
2. The serpent (or the demon of darkness) has been sent backwards and downwards.
3. The sun is showing the victory of the three steps of Vishnu.

If a translation is not distorted, its meaning can be understood. But Devi Chand is not interested in your understanding of the verse. He has his own yarn to spin.

Milton Platt said:
So do any number of science fiction books. What was your point???
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Not fiction, Milton; different views. We are careful not to slight views of other Hindus. We respect the difference.

To a person interested in Aryan history and mythology (I am one), understanding the meaning of Vedas is important.
 
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paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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Aupmanyav said:
If a translation is not distorted, its meaning can be understood. But Devi Chand is not interested in your understanding of the verse. He has his own yarn to spin.
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Devi Chand has just done what Friend @Vinayaka suggests:
One may like to read #33 in another thread in this connection. Right? Please​
Regards
 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
The RigVedic Aryans did not believe much in metaphorism. For them, their various Gods were not vacuous but really existed.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
paarsurrey said:
“THE VEDIC METAPHOR IN THE "CHURNING OF OCEAN"
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"Churning of Ocean" is a puranic story. I do not see any connection of the story with Vedas. If anyone knows otherwise, please let me know. However, it does have some resemblance to 'Lokasenna', the Norse story.
 
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Jainarayan

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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Why do you insist on using incorrect, twisted and downright false sources to push your proselytizing agenda? The very first sentence in the introduction establishes it as false: "Vedas are the word of God, revealed in the beginning of creation". Oh really? Try Rig Veda 10.129, the Nasadiya Sukta, the Hymn of Creation to show the errors in your source.
 
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