Do you know God?

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

mean of course that Moses was even more humble than I am now. Are you not impressed?

A murderer vigilante terrorizes an entire population and leads an entire generation of "his people" to destruction in the middle of nowhere. No, can't say as I am.

Deuteronomy directly says Moses was the meekest man.

The bible says lots of things that aren't true if you read all of it.

 

[savagewind]

I fully agree, given what they are waiting for.

Yes. It appears to me that they are waiting for the orders for what to do.

 

[Trailblazer]

Isaiah speaks about the one God sent forth--the Messiah= Jesus only.

Baha'u'llah was the Messiah. All the Bible prophecies prove that: Thief in the Night

 

[Trailblazer]

They should have believed Jesus then and ran from the darkness they are taught---Our Father who art in HEAVEN. He was NOT on earth.

Correct. God was never on earth.

 

[Phantasman]

But that's silly because Pilate didn't need Jewish input. He was considered so cruel that the cruel Roman Empire had to banish him. Jesus was causing problems, especially at the temple during times of "increased workload" for the Roman guards. He was executed by Romans for being a religious/political terrorist. That's it.


God told ME that He didn't say half the things in the bible and anything He declared would be acknowledged by all of nature. If God tells you the bible is not His Word, do you believe Him?


Jesus died and we're still waiting for him.


Technically, biology determines who lives and who dies. I disagree with making Satan into yet another God.


I'd be more attracted to your "Spirit's" teachings if It could tell the truth about what happened when the Romans killed Jesus. As it continues to use biblical anti-Semitic whining, such a Spirit should be given a polite nod and then ignored.

I don't know where you get that idea.

Read Luke 23:
4 Then said Pilate to the chief priests and to the people, I find no fault in this man.

14 Said unto them, Ye have brought this man unto me, as one that perverteth the people: and, behold, I, having examined him before you, have found no fault in this man touching those things whereof ye accuse him:
15 No, nor yet Herod: for I sent you to him; and, lo, nothing worthy of death is done unto him.
16 I will therefore chastise him, and release him.

20 Pilate therefore, willing to release Jesus, spake again to them.
21 But they cried, saying, Crucify him, crucify him.
22 And he said unto them the third time, Why, what evil hath he done? I have found no cause of death in him: I will therefore chastise him, and let him go.
23 And they were instant with loud voices, requiring that he might be crucified. And the voices of them and of the chief priests prevailed.
24 And Pilate gave sentence that it should be as they required.

If you want to read a more expanded conversation of that in canon gospels, the full actions of Jesus trial is here:

The Gospel of Nicodemus

I'm not going to argue who has the Spirit and who doesn't. Like above, I'll disagree with with you showing why, not simply saying it. Sooner or later, the Spirit reveals the truth to both of us. Maybe not immediately. It took me decades, as my mind closed around a view I wanted to be true, rather than see what was being actually shown me.

I believe there is something far above science and nature. If there wasn't, the mind couldn't conceive it. We know a thought isn't conceived until the mind creates it. But where do thoughts go when the brain dies? A thought isn't physical, so I question if it dies at all. Christianity is much deeper than old religious rituals. So I find great adventure in seeking answers to verses like this:

(3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."- Gospel of Thomas

I believe Jesus was far ahead of those who wrote about him, as well as those today who follow the Bible. Gnosis takes man to a much hogher level of understanding than the orthodox see or allow.

Just my synopsis.

 

[Trailblazer]

We are way past rev 13 (it is still occurring) I believe Rev 16 has begun.

I believe Rev 16 is done.

Rev 16:17 “And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.”

“The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.” (Rev. 11:14) The first woe is the appearance of the Prophet, Muḥammad, the son of ‘Abdu’lláh—peace be upon Him! The second woe is that of the Báb—to Him be glory and praise! The third woe is the great day of the manifestation of the Lord of Hosts and the radiance of the Beauty of the Promised One. The explanation of this subject, woe, is mentioned in the thirtieth chapter of Ezekiel, where it is said: “The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying, Son of man, prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Howl ye, Woe worth the day! For the day is near, even the day of the Lord is near.” (Ez. 30:1–3)

Therefore, it is certain that the day of woe is the day of the Lord; for in that day woe is for the neglectful, woe is for the sinners, woe is for the ignorant. That is why it is said, “The second woe is past; behold the third woe cometh quickly!” This third woe is the day of the manifestation of Bahá’u’lláh, the day of God; and it is near to the day of the appearance of the Báb.

“And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.” (Rev. 11:15)

The seventh angel is a man qualified with heavenly attributes, who will arise with heavenly qualities and character. Voices will be raised, so that the appearance of the Divine Manifestation will be proclaimed and diffused. In the day of the manifestation of the Lord of Hosts, and at the epoch of the divine cycle of the Omnipotent which is promised and mentioned in all the books and writings of the Prophets—in that day of God, the Spiritual and Divine Kingdom will be established, and the world will be renewed; a new spirit will be breathed into the body of creation; the season of the divine spring will come; the clouds of mercy will rain; the sun of reality will shine; the life-giving breeze will blow; the world of humanity will wear a new garment; the surface of the earth will be a sublime paradise; mankind will be educated; wars, disputes, quarrels and malignity will disappear; and truthfulness, righteousness, peace and the worship of God will appear; union, love and brotherhood will surround the world; and God will rule for evermore—meaning that the Spiritual and Everlasting Kingdom will be established. Such is the day of God. For all the days which have come and gone were the days of Abraham, Moses and Christ, or of the other Prophets; but this day is the day of God, for the Sun of Reality will arise in it with the utmost warmth and splendor.“ Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, pp. 56-57

 

[Brickjectivity]

A murderer vigilante terrorizes an entire population and leads an entire generation of "his people" to destruction in the middle of nowhere. No, can't say as I am.


The bible says lots of things that aren't true if you read all of it.

Is that what happens? I seem to recall lots of miracles in the story and a lot of oppressed slaves escaping from tyranny.

 

[Phantasman]

Thanks for that information. No, certainly nothing is going to happen that looks like what the bulk of Christians are waiting for.

Thanks. Respectfully, the Gospel Jesus taught was a message of love through spiritual knowledge. Revelations is a tool of the orthodox, and shouldn't be anywhere near such message. Jesus didn't come to cast fear of death but to offer life.

The Lord answered and said: "Truly I say to you, none will be saved unless they believe in my cross. But those who have believed in my cross, theirs is the Kingdom of God. Therefore, become seekers for death, just as the dead who seek for life, for that which they seek is revealed to them. And what is there to concern them? When you turn yourselves towards death, it will make known to you election. In truth I say to you, none of those who are afraid of death will be saved. For the Kingdom of God belongs to those who have put themselves to death. Become better than I; make yourselves like the son of the Holy Spirit."- Secret James

If you fear death, it's because you are spiritually ignorant and living the flesh.

 

[Trailblazer]

The Lord answered and said: "Truly I say to you, none will be saved unless they believe in my cross. But those who have believed in my cross, theirs is the Kingdom of God.

I am not sure what "believe in my cross" means. Does that mean that only those who believe Jesus died on the cross for our sins will be saved?

Therefore, become seekers for death, just as the dead who seek for life, for that which they seek is revealed to them. And what is there to concern them? When you turn yourselves towards death, it will make known to you election. In truth I say to you, none of those who are afraid of death will be saved. For the Kingdom of God belongs to those who have put themselves to death. Become better than I; make yourselves like the son of the Holy Spirit."- Secret James

Does that mean put the self to death?

Matthew 16:24-26 “Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?”

If you fear death, it's because you are spiritually ignorant and living the flesh.

I agree with that.

 

[Phantasman]

I am not sure what "believe in my cross" means. Does that mean that only those who believe Jesus died on the cross for our sins will be saved?

Does that mean put the self to death?

Matthew 16:24-26 “Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?”

I agree with that.

The cross is the burden of flesh which leads to death. The Father saves us from it (death) through spirit. You know yourself when you know the parts that make you "you" and the benefits and liabilities of each.

i.e. John 6:63

But the soul and mind is in play as well. It's not as simple as good and bad. It's the understanding of light and dark(ness) or knowledge and ignorance.

Matthew:
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Deut:
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

The Spirit was given by Christ. The Jews didn't have it. The Spirit is mind. The flesh, might.

John 8:44

The god who murderers. The Father who doesn't.

 

[Trailblazer]

The cross is the burden of flesh which leads to death. The Father saves us from it (death) through spirit. You know yourself when you know the parts that make you "you" and the benefits and liabilities of each.

i.e. John 6:63

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

By focusing on the bodily resurrection I believe that Christians have glorified the flesh.

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Deut:
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

The Spirit was given by Christ. The Jews didn't have it. The Spirit is mind. The flesh, might.

Good observation.

 

[Phantasman]

By focusing on the bodily resurrection I believe that Christians have glorified the flesh.

Is that a Christian scripture I can read?

I find nothing in canon or non canon where glorify or glorified, and flesh are used together. Same with body and resurrection or resurrected.

The flesh of Christ is the truth that he was and that we eat. His body is the sons of god (saints) we become.

Resurrect and dead appears 18 times and only in the NT. The dead only become alive by the Spirit.

Reiterate: "the flesh profits nothing". But if you find something that says it does, I'd like to see it. (excluding the OT teachings, of course).

 

[Trailblazer]

Is that a Christian scripture I can read?

I find nothing in canon or non canon where glorify or glorified, and flesh are used together. Same with body and resurrection or resurrected.

Let me put it another way. Why is the resurrection of the body of Christ so vital to Christian beliefs?

The flesh of Christ is the truth that he was and that we eat. His body is the sons of god (saints) we become.

Fine, the body was proof that Jesus walked the earth, but why did His body need to be resurrected after Jesus had already completed His Mission on earth?

Resurrect and dead appears 18 times and only in the NT. The dead only become alive by the Spirit.

Reiterate: "the flesh profits nothing". But if you find something that says it does, I'd like to see it. (excluding the OT teachings, of course).

I fully agree.

John 11:25-26 “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”

Jesus is the resurrection, and the life, because whoever believes in Jesus will attain to everlasting life. His body will die, but his soul will continue on to the spiritual world where he will be close to God. The rewards of the spiritual world are peace, the spiritual graces, various spiritual gifts, the gaining of the desires of the heart and the soul, and getting closer to God. Gaining these rewards is the gaining of eternal life.

Christ said, John 3:5 “Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”

Jesus meant that those who believed in Him would be “Born Again” and enter the kingdom of God on earth and in heaven, since we can be close to God both here and in the hereafter.

 

[Phantasman]

The gift of life is the Holy Spirit. It's what Jesus accepted and passed on to man (after the death of the flesh). The Holy Spirit was in Jesus first. He could only give it to man once he was glorified (in spirit).

The Holy Spirit cannot occupy a sinful spirit (ours) which is what the first baptism eliminates (sin). Water does nothing but wash flesh. The message is spiritual. John 6:63

Make sure you see the difference between Spirit and spirit. Two different things.

 

[Trailblazer]

Make sure you see the difference between Spirit and spirit. Two different things.

What is the difference?

 

[kjw47]

Baha'u'llah was the Messiah. All the Bible prophecies prove that: Thief in the Night

If you read the bible --GOD-- inspired--Jesus is the Messiah.

 

[kjw47]

They should have believed Jesus then and ran from the darkness they are taught---Our Father who art in HEAVEN. He was NOT on earth.

Jesus= The one sent forth by God--the Messiah. Gods appointed king.

 

[kjw47]

I believe Rev 16 is done.

Rev 16:17 “And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.”

“The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.” (Rev. 11:14) The first woe is the appearance of the Prophet, Muḥammad, the son of ‘Abdu’lláh—peace be upon Him! The second woe is that of the Báb—to Him be glory and praise! The third woe is the great day of the manifestation of the Lord of Hosts and the radiance of the Beauty of the Promised One. The explanation of this subject, woe, is mentioned in the thirtieth chapter of Ezekiel, where it is said: “The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying, Son of man, prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Howl ye, Woe worth the day! For the day is near, even the day of the Lord is near.” (Ez. 30:1–3)

Therefore, it is certain that the day of woe is the day of the Lord; for in that day woe is for the neglectful, woe is for the sinners, woe is for the ignorant. That is why it is said, “The second woe is past; behold the third woe cometh quickly!” This third woe is the day of the manifestation of Bahá’u’lláh, the day of God; and it is near to the day of the appearance of the Báb.

“And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.” (Rev. 11:15)

The seventh angel is a man qualified with heavenly attributes, who will arise with heavenly qualities and character. Voices will be raised, so that the appearance of the Divine Manifestation will be proclaimed and diffused. In the day of the manifestation of the Lord of Hosts, and at the epoch of the divine cycle of the Omnipotent which is promised and mentioned in all the books and writings of the Prophets—in that day of God, the Spiritual and Divine Kingdom will be established, and the world will be renewed; a new spirit will be breathed into the body of creation; the season of the divine spring will come; the clouds of mercy will rain; the sun of reality will shine; the life-giving breeze will blow; the world of humanity will wear a new garment; the surface of the earth will be a sublime paradise; mankind will be educated; wars, disputes, quarrels and malignity will disappear; and truthfulness, righteousness, peace and the worship of God will appear; union, love and brotherhood will surround the world; and God will rule for evermore—meaning that the Spiritual and Everlasting Kingdom will be established. Such is the day of God. For all the days which have come and gone were the days of Abraham, Moses and Christ, or of the other Prophets; but this day is the day of God, for the Sun of Reality will arise in it with the utmost warmth and splendor.“ Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, pp. 56-57

The 3 inspired expressions which lead every kingdom( govts, armies, supporters) to stand in opposition to Gods king at Har-mageddon has not occurred yet--Rev 16 describes that.

 

[Trailblazer]

If you read the bible --GOD-- inspired--Jesus is the Messiah.

Jesus was not the Messiah of the Old Testament. Jews know that because they know that Jesus did not fulfill the Tanakh prophecies. Judaism 101: Mashiach: The Messiah

Moreover, Jesus is not coming back to earth. In John 17:4, Jesus said that He had finished the work that God gave Him to do; and in John 17:11, Jesus said He was no more in the world and He was going to the Father. This shows that Jesus never planned to return.

The name Bahá'u'lláh means the glory of God in Arabic. If you read the Bible it is clear that Baha’u’llah is the Glory of God, the Messiah of the latter days. Below is an excerpt from the book entitled Thief in the Night. The remainder the the prophecies from the Old Testament and the New Testament that were fulfilled by the coming of Baha'u'llah are in that book, along with detailed explanations as to exactly how they were fulfilled.

Isaiah prophesied that the Plain of Sharon and the holy mountain, Carmel, would both be centres for the light and presence of the ‘Glory of the Lord’ in the last days. He said:

“The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.” (Isaiah 35:1).

“It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.” (Isaiah 35:2).

“And the ransomed of the LORD shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.” (Isaiah 35:10).

Again in the chapter preceding the one in which he, Isaiah, promises that God will raise up a ‘righteous man from the East’, he foretells:

“And the Glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of God hath spoken it.” Isaiah 40:5.

"In that same year (1890) Bahá’u’lláh’s tent, the “Tabernacle of Glory,” was raised on Mt. Carmel, “the Hill of God and His Vineyard,” the home of Elijah, extolled by Isaiah as the “mountain of the Lord,” to which “all nations shall flow.” Four times He visited Haifa, His last visit being no less than three months long. In the course of one of these visits, when His tent was pitched in the vicinity of the Carmelite Monastery, He, the “Lord of the Vineyard,” revealed the Tablet of Carmel, remarkable for its allusions and prophecies. On another occasion He pointed out Himself to ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, as He stood on the slopes of that mountain, the site which was to serve as the permanent resting-place of the Báb, and on which a befitting mausoleum was later to be erected." (God Passes By, p. 194)

Above Haifa, Israel, stands Mt. Carmel, proclaiming the Glory of the Lord has come.

The Baha’i World Centre is on Mount Carmel... How do you explain that?

 

[kjw47]

Jesus was not the Messiah of the Old Testament. Jews know that because they know that Jesus did not fulfill the Tanakh prophecies. Judaism 101: Mashiach: The Messiah

Moreover, Jesus is not coming back to earth. In John 17:4, Jesus said that He had finished the work that God gave Him to do; and in John 17:11, Jesus said He was no more in the world and He was going to the Father. This shows that Jesus never planned to return.

The name Bahá'u'lláh means the glory of God in Arabic. If you read the Bible it is clear that Baha’u’llah is the Glory of God, the Messiah of the latter days. Below is an excerpt from the book entitled Thief in the Night. The remainder the the prophecies from the Old Testament and the New Testament that were fulfilled by the coming of Baha'u'llah are in that book, along with detailed explanations as to exactly how they were fulfilled.

Isaiah prophesied that the Plain of Sharon and the holy mountain, Carmel, would both be centres for the light and presence of the ‘Glory of the Lord’ in the last days. He said:

“The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.” (Isaiah 35:1).

“It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.” (Isaiah 35:2).

“And the ransomed of the LORD shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.” (Isaiah 35:10).

Again in the chapter preceding the one in which he, Isaiah, promises that God will raise up a ‘righteous man from the East’, he foretells:

“And the Glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of God hath spoken it.” Isaiah 40:5.

"In that same year (1890) Bahá’u’lláh’s tent, the “Tabernacle of Glory,” was raised on Mt. Carmel, “the Hill of God and His Vineyard,” the home of Elijah, extolled by Isaiah as the “mountain of the Lord,” to which “all nations shall flow.” Four times He visited Haifa, His last visit being no less than three months long. In the course of one of these visits, when His tent was pitched in the vicinity of the Carmelite Monastery, He, the “Lord of the Vineyard,” revealed the Tablet of Carmel, remarkable for its allusions and prophecies. On another occasion He pointed out Himself to ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, as He stood on the slopes of that mountain, the site which was to serve as the permanent resting-place of the Báb, and on which a befitting mausoleum was later to be erected." (God Passes By, p. 194)

Above Haifa, Israel, stands Mt. Carmel, proclaiming the Glory of the Lord has come.

The Baha’i World Centre is on Mount Carmel... How do you explain that?

He finished his work on earth at that time. He received his crown at Revelation 6 yet it was Michael who rode that white horse. It is the war in heaven. Only Jesus is getting the crown. Yet Michael got it--2+2= Michael is the one who came to earth and stood up for the sons of Daniel( Daniel 12:1) And was named Jesus as a mortal.
1Thess 4:16--Upon his return, Jesus comes with the trumpet of God( announcing his ride) and with the voice of the archangel)---- it is his voice.
And that is how he was raised up higher--from chief of the angels to king of Gods kingdom. But then Jesus must hand back the kingdom to his God and Father and subject himself-1Corinthians 15:24-28) forever. this is reality.