Gods personal name

[kjw47]

There is no condemnation for using Jehovah in the OT. I was speaking about using Jehovah in the NT and at times just deciding on the basis of JW doctrine, where Jehovah should be in the NT.
It is plain that the Watchtower is not being led by the Holy Spirit or it would not have to keep readjusting the teachings when it is found that the old teachings are incorrect.

The Ot is quoted in The NT where the name is in the OT so yes it does belong. Teachers of darkness hide the name.

 

[kjw47]

That is an interesting theory. It justifies denying that you are in the New Covenant and that you are not born again and don't have the Holy Spirit and should not partake of the bread and wine to remember the atoning death of Jesus (because it is about the New Covenant which you are not in) etc etc.
It all revolves around the interpretation of the 144000.
But the Watchtower has been wrong about so many things and keep changing their teachings when the supposed "new light" comes along, so why believe them when they say that most of the New Testament was not written for you?
It does not read that way and the Watchtower and you cannot show it is true from the Bible.

No it does not. The bible is clear--one flock yet 2 groups. There is no doubt your teachers have not taught you on this matter because they dont know because they do not have holy spirit.

Matt 24:45- speaking of Jesus real teachers give food(spiritual), at the proper time not before When God wills a truth known. Daniel 12:4 certain truths were hidden from all until these last days, but still were in the bible and were taught on by every religion claiming christianity, every one were in error on those, correction had to be made. All saw who made corrections.

 

[kjw47]

That is an interesting theory. It justifies denying that you are in the New Covenant and that you are not born again and don't have the Holy Spirit and should not partake of the bread and wine to remember the atoning death of Jesus (because it is about the New Covenant which you are not in) etc etc.
It all revolves around the interpretation of the 144000.
But the Watchtower has been wrong about so many things and keep changing their teachings when the supposed "new light" comes along, so why believe them when they say that most of the New Testament was not written for you?
It does not read that way and the Watchtower and you cannot show it is true from the Bible.

The bible says not all are worthy to partake 1Corinthians 11:27

Who do listen to Joel Osteen the ear tickler? He doesnt have truth.

 

[Brian2]

The Ot is quoted in The NT where the name is in the OT so yes it does belong. Teachers of darkness hide the name.

That happens in many places but there are others where it is just a decision, based on doctrine, to put the name in or not.

 

[Brian2]

No it does not. The bible is clear--one flock yet 2 groups. There is no doubt your teachers have not taught you on this matter because they dont know because they do not have holy spirit.

Matt 24:45- speaking of Jesus real teachers give food(spiritual), at the proper time not before When God wills a truth known. Daniel 12:4 certain truths were hidden from all until these last days, but still were in the bible and were taught on by every religion claiming christianity, every one were in error on those, correction had to be made. All saw who made corrections.

The other sheep that are brought to be part of the one flock, in context, refers to the Gentiles. John 10:16 says nothing about 2 groups.
Matt 24:45 cannot refer to the Watchtower because they have fed the household the wrong food many times and have had to change the diet.
Everyone who believes Jesus is the Christ has been born of God. (1John 5:1) Everyone, not just 144000.
The Father and Jesus will come to "anyone" who loves Jesus and obeys His teachings, and they will make their home with that person. (John 14:23) "Anyone" not just 144000.
People who have claimed to have knowledge of the last days and predict the return of Jesus are automatically wrong. Jesus said that He would come when people did not expect. There is no dating of the return of Jesus in the Bible, it is all in the imagination of those who are making the prediction. All we can do is see that the time is getting closer.
Everyone saw those who made corrections to their dating and they saw the Watchtower make many corrections. Most of the others probably just stopped predicting.

 

[Brian2]

The bible says not all are worthy to partake 1Corinthians 11:27

Who do listen to Joel Osteen the ear tickler? He doesnt have truth.

1Cor 11:27 is nothing to do with the 144000. If it was about the 144000 it means that many at the time of Paul were not part of the 144000 according to what Paul goes on to say.
I don't know who Joel Osteen is but if he speaks about there being no link of the 144000 to the rest of the New Testament, he is right. There are no 2 groups of Christians in the New Testament, we are all born again and are under the New Covenant and have the Holy Spirit.

 

[kjw47]

That happens in many places but there are others where it is just a decision, based on doctrine, to put the name in or not.

as told to you by men with 0 clue--the ones who hide the name from a lack of love for God.

 

[kjw47]

The other sheep that are brought to be part of the one flock, in context, refers to the Gentiles. John 10:16 says nothing about 2 groups.
Matt 24:45 cannot refer to the Watchtower because they have fed the household the wrong food many times and have had to change the diet.
Everyone who believes Jesus is the Christ has been born of God. (1John 5:1) Everyone, not just 144000.
The Father and Jesus will come to "anyone" who loves Jesus and obeys His teachings, and they will make their home with that person. (John 14:23) "Anyone" not just 144000.
People who have claimed to have knowledge of the last days and predict the return of Jesus are automatically wrong. Jesus said that He would come when people did not expect. There is no dating of the return of Jesus in the Bible, it is all in the imagination of those who are making the prediction. All we can do is see that the time is getting closer.
Everyone saw those who made corrections to their dating and they saw the Watchtower make many corrections. Most of the others probably just stopped predicting.

That is speaking of the real Jesus, not the fake one being taught in a trinity. Jesus gave signs to look for-they are happening.

 

[kjw47]

1Cor 11:27 is nothing to do with the 144000. If it was about the 144000 it means that many at the time of Paul were not part of the 144000 according to what Paul goes on to say.
I don't know who Joel Osteen is but if he speaks about there being no link of the 144000 to the rest of the New Testament, he is right. There are no 2 groups of Christians in the New Testament, we are all born again and are under the New Covenant and have the Holy Spirit.

The little flock is numbered-144,000--The great crowd no man can number-proving =there is seperation of the 2.

 

[Brian2]

as told to you by men with 0 clue--the ones who hide the name from a lack of love for God.

I can read and know that there are places where the name is inserted or left out for doctrinal reasons.

 

[Brian2]

That is speaking of the real Jesus, not the fake one being taught in a trinity. Jesus gave signs to look for-they are happening.

Yes there are signs and when we get really close to the end there will be even more definite signs, but there is no working out of which year through prophecy.

 

[Brian2]

The little flock is numbered-144,000--The great crowd no man can number-proving =there is seperation of the 2.

I was speaking about 1Cor 11:27.
But going away from that, where is the 144000 called the little flock? Nowhere. That is just and interpretation of what the "little flock" of Luke 12:32 is referring to. You repeat it and think it is true, but there is no reason to think it is true except that is what you have been taught.
The 144000 of Revelation could be symbolic number for the great crowd or could be a real number of real Jews who are saved in the end times.
The sealing of the 144000 seems to happen right at the end, before the last seal is opened.
A literal number seems to agree with what Paul said of the Jews being converted at the end.
Rev 7:3 “Do not harm the land or sea or trees until we have sealed the foreheads of the servants of our God.” 4And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel:…

 

[rational experiences]

A word.

Meanings.

Diction ary.

M 1000.

Diction Mary.

A word. One meaning first. Described chosen accepted by brothers the words first meaning... since it was coerced.

G O D. A word.

Space mother. God spaces son. O.
Earth.

First God.

First God was the creator hence it wasn't the word.

Reason to own the reasoning. We live within the atmospheric heavens. Human. Bio. Conscious.

We live with the one word God.

Described.

O first God earth.

Gods O reflection above us. Cooling.

O G spiral back to O. O into DD back cooling OO.

God and god is good.

Terms as gods word. One meaning only described.

Space great deep Empty.
Filled in by spirit. Gas.
In the face of water
Balanced clear cold immaculate sacrificed. Of gods body.

Not human.

No man is God

Described.

 

[EtuMalku]

Jesus said the members of ones household would be their enemies-spiritually not physically. That means those would not listen to him and obey him.
He didnt mean to actually hate them, more like hate the darkness they live in.
Yes those cities were unrepentent, but he never condemned them to a place of eternal suffering. there is no such place.
The Pharisees hated Jesus so no matter what he did they criticised him, He told them off after awhile-Matt 23--And God cut them off of being his chosen-23:38-39

I have a problem with the words 'Listen' and 'Obey', sorry

 

[EtuMalku]

Are all the hearts then filled with hate and wickedness for nothing then?

What hearts?

 

[Sheldon]

that is what satan wants one to think. reality--Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

I don't believe in any deity, or in demons, so what objective evidence can you demonstrate to support your claim?

 

[kjw47]

Yes there are signs and when we get really close to the end there will be even more definite signs, but there is no working out of which year through prophecy.

When babylon the great falls( worldwide false religion) that locks the door. the tribulation starts. The bible says Gods put it in their hearts to do this. The 7 headed beast with 10 horns will do it. The nations hand over power to them for 1 hour( short time) it says. These events will occur just like a thief in the night.

 

[kjw47]

I was speaking about 1Cor 11:27.
But going away from that, where is the 144000 called the little flock? Nowhere. That is just and interpretation of what the "little flock" of Luke 12:32 is referring to. You repeat it and think it is true, but there is no reason to think it is true except that is what you have been taught.
The 144000 of Revelation could be symbolic number for the great crowd or could be a real number of real Jews who are saved in the end times.
The sealing of the 144000 seems to happen right at the end, before the last seal is opened.
A literal number seems to agree with what Paul said of the Jews being converted at the end.
Rev 7:3 “Do not harm the land or sea or trees until we have sealed the foreheads of the servants of our God.” 4And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel:…

Luke 12:32) the little flock. So its either 144,000 or the great crowd--there is no doubt its the 144,000-- The remaining ones on earth will go to heaven during the tribulation. Many lived in Jesus day. These are the ones in the first ressurection. The Israelite religion is cut off-Matthew23:38-39--They refuse to do 39-- The writer of Revelation had no clue what the religion would called in the last days-he called them Israel but actually its spiritual Israel meaning Gods chosen.

 

[kjw47]

What hearts?

Have you seen the events happening. All from hatred.

 

[kjw47]

I have a problem with the words 'Listen' and 'Obey', sorry

Then you have lost. And you let satan beat you.