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[SkepticThinker]

In Australia 47% of all euthenasia cases involve people who are not terminally ill people.
The euthenasia lobby promised this would never happen.

47%? Do you have a source for that?

 

[Sheldon]

Dang! Ain't logic a female dog that has had puppies!

Yes indeed, like gravity when one ignores it, or tries to pretend it needn't apply.

 

[Sheldon]

Funny how if you don't like em you just ignore them. Good debate technique!

Tosh, he still responds to your posts.

 

[Sheldon]

Who are you talking to?

Since @Subduction Zone quoted your post verbatim, I am going to go out on a limb, and say he was responding to you.

 

[Sheldon]

PruePhillip said: ↑
In Australia 47% of all euthenasia cases involve people who are not terminally ill people.
The euthenasia lobby promised this would never happen.

47%? Do you have a source for that?

He just reels these claims off endlessly, the old scoot and shoot, it's almost pointless trying to engage in proper discourse, as his posts move on the next disjointed rant, while you're still trying to understand the last one.

 

[Subduction Zone]

He just reels these claims off endlessly, the old scoot and shoot, it's almost pointless trying to engage in proper discourse, as his posts move on the next disjointed rant, while you're still trying to understand the last one.

She, not he. And much younger than I thought.

But I also get the impression of an old man in the suburbs yelling "Get off off my lawm!!"

 

[PruePhillip]

47%? Do you have a source for that?

He just reels these claims off endlessly, the old scoot and shoot, it's almost pointless trying to engage in proper discourse, as his posts move on the next disjointed rant, while you're still trying to understand the last one.

No because I read it in a newspaper a few weeks back. But it does make perfect sense - the first euthenasia concerned people of sound mind who were about to die - now it is involving un-sound people or those with potentially decades of life ahead of them. Euthenasia advocates promised this wouldn't happen, even put it into laws - and now (as shown in Tasmania) those laws are being 'reformed.'

Why Assisted Suicide Must Not Be Legalized (dredf.org)
Moreover, there is a significant danger that many people would choose assisted suicide due to external pressure. Elderly individuals who don’t want to be a financial or caretaking burden on their families might take this escape. In fact, the percentage of reported Oregon cases attributed to patients’ reluctance to burden their families has risen alarmingly. It totaled 12 percent in 1998, but increased to 26 percent in 1999, then 42 percent in 2005, and 45 percent in 2007.[32] Nothing in the Oregon law will protect patients when there are family pressures, whether financial or emotional, which distort patient choice.



29 year old woman is euthenased after suffering from depression in Holland
A woman’s final Facebook message before euthanasia: ‘I’m ready for my trip now...’ | Assisted dying | The Guardian

Mental disorders in Belgium
Abandon All Hope: Euthanasia for Mental Disorders - Australian Care Alliance

 

[Subduction Zone]

No because I read it in a newspaper a few weeks back. But it does make perfect sense - the first euthenasia concerned people of sound mind who were about to die - now it is involving un-sound people or those with potentially decades of life ahead of them. Euthenasia advocates promised this wouldn't happen, even put it into laws - and now (as shown in Tasmania) those laws are being 'reformed.'

Why Assisted Suicide Must Not Be Legalized (dredf.org)
Moreover, there is a significant danger that many people would choose assisted suicide due to external pressure. Elderly individuals who don’t want to be a financial or caretaking burden on their families might take this escape. In fact, the percentage of reported Oregon cases attributed to patients’ reluctance to burden their families has risen alarmingly. It totaled 12 percent in 1998, but increased to 26 percent in 1999, then 42 percent in 2005, and 45 percent in 2007.[32] Nothing in the Oregon law will protect patients when there are family pressures, whether financial or emotional, which distort patient choice.



29 year old woman is euthenased after suffering from depression in Holland
A woman’s final Facebook message before euthanasia: ‘I’m ready for my trip now...’ | Assisted dying | The Guardian

Mental disorders in Belgium
Abandon All Hope: Euthanasia for Mental Disorders - Australian Care Alliance

So no valid sources.

 

[SkepticThinker]

No because I read it in a newspaper a few weeks back. But it does make perfect sense - the first euthenasia concerned people of sound mind who were about to die - now it is involving un-sound people or those with potentially decades of life ahead of them. Euthenasia advocates promised this wouldn't happen, even put it into laws - and now (as shown in Tasmania) those laws are being 'reformed.'

Why Assisted Suicide Must Not Be Legalized (dredf.org)
Moreover, there is a significant danger that many people would choose assisted suicide due to external pressure. Elderly individuals who don’t want to be a financial or caretaking burden on their families might take this escape. In fact, the percentage of reported Oregon cases attributed to patients’ reluctance to burden their families has risen alarmingly. It totaled 12 percent in 1998, but increased to 26 percent in 1999, then 42 percent in 2005, and 45 percent in 2007.[32] Nothing in the Oregon law will protect patients when there are family pressures, whether financial or emotional, which distort patient choice.



29 year old woman is euthenased after suffering from depression in Holland
A woman’s final Facebook message before euthanasia: ‘I’m ready for my trip now...’ | Assisted dying | The Guardian

Mental disorders in Belgium
Abandon All Hope: Euthanasia for Mental Disorders - Australian Care Alliance

Okay, so I asked for a citation for the 47% number, and you gave me .... something else.

 

[Sheldon]

She, not he. And much younger than I thought.

But I also get the impression of an old man in the suburbs yelling "Get off off my lawm!!"

Oh, my apologies to @PruePhillip for that mistake. Yes I suppose that was where my mistake originated as well.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Since @Subduction Zone quoted your post verbatim, I am going to go out on a limb, and say he was responding to you.

Only it didn't sound like it.

 

[Sheldon]

No because I read it in a newspaper a few weeks back. But it does make perfect sense - the first euthenasia concerned people of sound mind who were about to die - now it is involving un-sound people or those with potentially decades of life ahead of them. Euthenasia advocates promised this wouldn't happen, even put it into laws - and now (as shown in Tasmania) those laws are being 'reformed.'

Why Assisted Suicide Must Not Be Legalized (dredf.org)
Moreover, there is a significant danger that many people would choose assisted suicide due to external pressure. Elderly individuals who don’t want to be a financial or caretaking burden on their families might take this escape. In fact, the percentage of reported Oregon cases attributed to patients’ reluctance to burden their families has risen alarmingly. It totaled 12 percent in 1998, but increased to 26 percent in 1999, then 42 percent in 2005, and 45 percent in 2007.[32] Nothing in the Oregon law will protect patients when there are family pressures, whether financial or emotional, which distort patient choice.



29 year old woman is euthenased after suffering from depression in Holland
A woman’s final Facebook message before euthanasia: ‘I’m ready for my trip now...’ | Assisted dying | The Guardian

Mental disorders in Belgium
Abandon All Hope: Euthanasia for Mental Disorders - Australian Care Alliance

This is not an argument against people having the right to end their life with dignity and without unnecessary suffering and pain. You are simply conflating the fact that such laws might be open to abuse or misuse if they don't include proper safe guards, with not having them at all, but we could simply include such safeguards then, problem solved, and no histrionics required.

You have also not offered anything to support your claimed stat, search the paper online and the story try and fact check it, only the claims seems extremely dubious. All you have is an anecdotal claim, you do see how that looks in the context of a debate?

 

[Sheldon]

Only it didn't sound like it.

Then maybe it would be more edifying to explain why you think that, rather than asking an open ended question you know the answer to?

 

[Wildswanderer]

Then maybe it would be more edifying to explain why you think that, rather than asking an open ended question you know the answer to?

Because he was responding to things I didn't say.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Only it didn't sound like it.

Why not?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Because he was responding to things I didn't say.

Are you sure about that?

 

[Wildswanderer]

Are you sure about that?

Yes I'm sure I'm not Phillip.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes I'm sure I'm not Phillip.

Yes, I see that now. But you are like her in that regard. You do have a tendency to forget to use proper sources.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh, my apologies to @PruePhillip for that mistake. Yes I suppose that was where my mistake originated as well.

I think it is the "Phillip" part of the user name that threw both of us. Perhaps the "Prue" stands for "Prudence".

 

[Wildswanderer]

Yes, I see that now. But you are like her in that regard. You do have a tendency to forget to use proper sources.

Proper sources equal ones you agree with.