First I want to apologize for the words I used in
post #15.
I should have kept that to myself, considering that when it comes to children, emotions can run high...
not saying I don't have those.
I'm sorry I wasn't sensitive to that.
I didn't even plan on getting in a dispute, but just exchange facts. So, I apologize for voicing my "feelings".
Three minutes after the gunman went down the hallway, officers arrived on the scene, and immediately went down the hallway, where the gunfire was coming from.
It makes sense to me... and I am not saying this to 'degrade' anyone... They used the opportunity where the gunman was engaged, to gain ground.
However, they quickly
ran for cover, and I understand why.
If a man is shooting at me from cover, and I am in a
long hallway,
with nothing to hide behind, bulletproof vests won't protect me.
Then all I have is a little pow pow, and those backing me up have the same. I don't feel comfortable they can take out a guy who is behind a wall, unleashing rounds from an automatic rifle, and I am in the open.
There are no marksmen there.
These were not special forces equipped to deal with this situations.
The special forces arrived nearly about
half an hour after - 12:04:48.
15 minutes after - which was 48 minutes after the gunman opened fire in the corridors -
they moved toward the suspect.
Why the
15 minute delay?
Well, there could be a several reasons.
- There was a briefing on the situation, and the plan of attack?
- They needed to get a "mental map" of the classroom from the school master.
- The marksman was equipping himself.
- They had to retrieve equipment from the truck.
Sigh
15 minutes.
15 minutes, and they got the job done, and people are condemning them, rather than praising their wisdom, in a situation where they are placing themselves in a long corridor, opened to an attack from a cornered "rat" with an automatic rifle, and a wall for cover... and having not a clue about the layout of the territory, they are about to jump into.
Then there is the factor involving bystanders.
With the police who are not trained marksmen, a situation like this could have happened.
An innocent bystander was "tragically" killed when a California police officer opened fire to shoot another suspect, authorities said.
“...an officer fired his service weapon at the wanted suspect, but instead struck an uninvolved resident who was sitting in a vehicle in the 100 block of Obispo Street,” the statement read.
...As the police closed in, the gunman drew his .45-caliber handgun, and
two officers opened fire, discharging 16 shots in all.
Ten people were hit: the gunman, who was killed, and nine pedestrians caught in the hail and ricochet of police bullets.
Just imagine 9 children hit by bullets from those officer's guns.
I'm trying to hold back. It's hard, but I'll keep my thoughts to myself.
All I can say is, I would like to see all of you take their position, and see how it plays out.
I would like to watch it, and see how many cops are dragged out covered in a white sheets.
I think wisdom, as the Bible says, is the prime thing.
Wisdom is the prime thing. Acquire wisdom; and with all that you acquire, acquire understanding. - Proverbs 4:7
The Biblical sense of wisdom lays emphasis on sound judgment, based on knowledge and understanding; the ability to use knowledge and understanding successfully to solve problems, avoid or avert dangers, attain certain goals, or counsel others in doing so.
It is the opposite of foolishness, stupidity, and madness, with which it is often contrasted.
Source
I guess there will always be people on both sides of the issue.
A. Too much deadly force.
B. Too little deadly force. But both sides will have losers, and "winners".
I guess too, this is all the result of man's brilliant creative skills.
"Let's make a gun."
"Why?"
"It's long range, and far more powerful, and quicker than a bow and arrows... and we can make it even faster, and even puncture walls."
Wow! Where to begin…?
To be clear; I am not at this point in time necessarily laying the blame on any particular officer(s), further detailed investigations will determine that. There is already enough evidence however that comand and control in this situation royally screwed the pooch!
“Three minutes after the gunman went down the hallway, officers arrived on the scene, and immediately went down the hallway, where the gunfire was coming from.”
“If a man is shooting at me from cover, and I am in a
long hallway,
with nothing to hide behind, bulletproof vests won't protect me.”
Actually that is precisely what bulletproof vests are designed for.
“Then all I have is a little pow pow, and those backing me up have the same.”
A “little pow pow”… isn’t that adorable…really?!
Funny how firearms are never described like that when people get killed with them…but I digress.
I counted 7 officers that were visible at that time (3 minutes in) on the video ( all armed with “little pow pows”)
there may or may not have been more present that weren’t visible on the video. It was known to be a single shooter.
Your timeline is distorted.
Actual facts:
Police started receiving multiple 911 calls while the shooter was shooting outside the school at 11:31
As per the time stamp on the video:
11:33 Shooter enters classroom firing multiple
rounds ( carnage begins) call it (T).
11:36 First officers arrive. 7 at least. (T+3)
11:43 Back ups arrive with rifles and full
body armor. (T+10)
11:52. Ballistic shield visible in hall. (T+19)
12:21 More shots fired in classroom
Declaration of “We’re going in”
but no attempt to breach. (T+48)
12:50 Breach of classroom and subject
neutralized. (T+77)
Incidentally, it was Boarder Patrol officers that went in and neutralized the shooter.
Not “special forces equipped to deal with this situations.”
“Sigh
15 minutes.
15 minutes, and they got the job done, and people are condemning them, rather than praising their wisdom, in a situation where they are placing themselves in a long corridor, opened to an attack from a cornered "rat" with an automatic rifle, and a wall for cover..”
So which 15 minutes of the 1hour and 17 minutes are you attempting to defend here? And what about the other 1 hour and 2 minutes?
So why do specific times matter?
Because teachers and children were known to have been shot and timelinesses of medical assistance critical.
Imagine you were shot with an AR15 at relatively close range; do you imagine your chance of survival would be better if medical assistance were rendered in say your 15 minutes or
not for 1 hour and 17 minutes?
It was known that there were survivors inside the classroom “opened to an attack from a cornered "rat" with an automatic rifle”. They were begging. for help through texts and 911 calls.
“Then there is the factor involving bystanders.”
This is completely a nonsensical red herring.
The surviving kids in that classroom (you know the ones begging for help) weren’t “bystanders” they were victims currently under siege.
“Just imagine 9 children hit by bullets from those officer's guns.
I'm trying to hold back. It's hard, but I'll keep my thoughts to myself.”
There’s no need to imagine; 36 injured 19 fatally
by by “”rat” with an automatic rifle”!
“Trying to hold back”…..spare me!
How many of those 19 may have survived if the had been afforded medical attention rather than have to suffer for an hour and seventeen minutes?
“All I can say is, I would like to see all of you take their position, and see how it plays out.
I would like to watch it, and see how many cops are dragged out covered in a white sheets.”
Do you seriously not understand why law enforcement experts are condemning the response to this shooting?
What was it that the Director of the Texas Department of Public Safety said….
oh yeah;
that the law enforcement response to the attack at Robb Elementary was an abject failure and antithetical to everything we have learned over the last two decades since the Columbine massacre.
Three minutes after the subject entered the west building, there were sufficient number of armed officers wearing body armor to isolate, distract and neutralize the subject. The only thing stopping a hallway of dedicated officers from entering room 111 and 112 was the on-scene commander, who decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of children.
The officers had weapons. The children had none.
“I think wisdom, as the Bible says, is the prime thing.
Wisdom is the prime thing. Acquire wisdom; and with all that you acquire, acquire understanding. -
Proverbs 4:7”
Spare me your BS, you’ve demonstrated that you obviously have neither wisdom or understanding.