YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I told you that I did not always believe. You don't have to believe me and I'm sorry if I offended you, I didn't mean to.
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God convinced me he doesn't exist. What did he do to to convince you he does or doesn't exist??
- Thread starter Thrillobyte
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If it would be just from people, atheists would not have tremendous difficulties to understand it without contradictions and other errors.
Also, I don't think humans would have had correct knowledge of earth without God, how continents were formed. And would not know how Jews will be scattered and gathered back.
I will scatter you among the nations, and I will draw out the sword after you: and your land will be a desolation, and your cities shall be a waste.
Leviticus 26:33
It shall happen, when all these things are come on you, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before you, and you shall call them to mind among all the nations, where Yahweh your God has driven you, and shall return to Yahweh your God, and shall obey his voice according to all that I command you this day, you and your children, with all your heart, and with all your soul; that then Yahweh your God will turn your captivity, and have compassion on you, and will return and gather you from all the peoples, where Yahweh your God has scattered you. If any of your outcasts are in the uttermost parts of the heavens, from there will Yahweh your God gather you, and from there will he bring you back:
Deuteronomy 30:1-4
I don't think Jews would have survived from all the oppression from other nations without God.
If you would read the whole Gen. 32, you would see that is was actually a man that called himself god, the one and only true God.
Jacob was left alone, and wrestled with a man there until the breaking of the day.
Gen. 32:24
Sheldon
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That's not an error. It's your lack of understanding. Try again. Or don't try again.
It is an obviously erroneous contradiction, you asked for one, and I posted it. Hand waving dismissals are meaningless.
Sheldon
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Not sure why you stuck your oar in here with this petty and irrelevant ad hominem, but then again irrational and petty seems to be the hallmark of many of your posts, so no real surprise I suppose.
Sheldon
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Moses was likely a fictional character, since there is no historical or archaeological evidence to support any of the myths assigned him.
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Sheldon
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Why would I care what you want?
Well the complete dearth of objective evidence, and the fact you use relentless bare assertions speaks for itself.
What assumptions?
Sheldon
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This is a debate forum, are you just here to proselytise then? Only just preaching your beliefs is not debate. Nor is reeling off subjective unevidenced claims.
Sheldon
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Genesis 32:24-30
Then Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him until daybreak. When he saw that he had not prevailed against him, he touched the socket of his thigh; so the socket of Jacob’s thigh was dislocated while he wrestled with him. Then he said, “Let me go, for the dawn is breaking.” But he said, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”
So he said to him, “What is your name?” And he said, “Jacob.” He said, “Your name shall no longer be Jacob, but Israel; for you have striven with God and with men and have prevailed.” Then Jacob asked him and said, “Please tell me your name.” But he said, “Why is it that you ask my name?” And he blessed him there. So Jacob named the place Peniel, for he said, “I have seen God face to face, yet my life has been preserved.”
Sheldon
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What has that string of unevidenced subjective beliefs to do with your claim that "people are too stupid and evil to make it on their own without God"? I asked you to evidence your claim, not simply repeat it? Plenty of people (atheists) manage without any deity, that is demonstrably true.
But they don't understand the Bible, they think it is full of errors and contradictions, even though it is not.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I'm sure you and others think that, but I no longer go along with that constrained reasoning. Because while I certainly don't understand everything, I believe that Moses as depicted in the holy scriptures existed.
Palehorse
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I am convinced GOD exists because GOD created HE.....
Subduction Zone
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"HE"? I did not know that God was a fan of massage parlors.
Thrillobyte
Active Member
Perfectly ok. I don't know why you would think you offended me, I tried to state my intentions are to reach lurkers here who don't post, just read. I don't want them falling into Christianity's trap of hooking people with a lot of nonsense about going to hell if they don't believe in Jesus.
Larry R Camp
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GOD convinced you of nothing. Your corrupted mind, and satan set you on your course. You have abandoned GOD because HE ALONE brings truth, light, and hope to all who are oppressed. A self centered nation can not long endure, and the founders specifically fought that.
Messianic Israelite
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Hi Thrillobyte. Good morning. The explanation may be that some Canaanites assimilated the use of the Name of Yahweh in their worship. Why wouldn't they? They had heard that Yahweh was a Mighty El who delivered Israel from the Egyptians. Rather than come in to True Worship, they would have mixed Yahweh worship with paganism. It's the same today with some groups using the Name Yahweh but keeping unscriptural doctrines. You can read in Exodus 32, specifically verse 5, how they used the Name of Yahweh in the worship of the golden calf. "5 When Aaron saw this, he built an altar in front of the calf and announced, “Tomorrow there will be a festival to Yahweh.” 6 So the next day the people rose early and sacrificed burnt offerings and presented fellowship offerings. Afterward they sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry. 7 Then Yahweh said to Moses, “Go down, because your people, whom you brought up out of Egypt, have become corrupt."
If Israel could be guilty of attaching the Name of Yahweh to pagan worship, most definitely other nations could do this also. It in no way proves Yahweh was a made-up Mighty One by the Canaanites, that Israel took as their own Elohim. Yahweh was the first Elohim worshipped by mankind. When Eve had her first son, she said in Genesis 4:1, "I have gotten a man with the help of Yahweh." They knew the Name all the way back in Eden.
It's a shame that you feel Yahweh never touched your life. However, I find that many people who have turned atheists seem to feel this way. Respectfully, I feel that Yahweh is found of those that seek Him with their whole heart, mind and soul. I see people turning away from Ch-rchianity and becoming atheists, but I don't see many people turning to the Assemblies of Yahweh. Here we have the Truth, yet people keep Xmas, Easter, Halloween, believe in all sorts of unscriptural doctrines founded in paganism and yet think that Yahweh should reveal Himself to them. Did you use the Name of Yahweh? Did you use the true name of the Son Yahshua? Did you keep the Holy Days of Leviticus 23 and Deuteronomy 16? Did you keep the dietary laws of Leviticus 11? etc. Or, as I find here on RF did you brush these things aside as not being important to your salvation? Psalm 9:10 says "And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee; For thou, Yahweh, hast not forsaken them that seek thee."
Miracles do happen. And prayers are answered. Sorry to hear you don't feel these things occur. They do. I have had prayers and miracles happen in my life. The world may be a cruel place, but they are people within this world who are living the Kingdom way of life, who are lights in this dark world. Why not concentrate on them, rather than those who have spurned Yahweh? I'm sure it was the same in Noah's time. Yahshua said in Matthew 24:37 that as it was in the days of Noah, so would it be in the coming of Yahshua. Most of the antediluvian peoples were very wicked. You seem to acknowledge the wickedness of this world and I'm sure many of the people in Noah's time gave up on faith in Yahweh because they were asking where the justice was in their day if a loving Elohim existed. Yahweh did judge, and Yahweh will judge again, be assured of it. When that time comes, where will you be?
"By faith Noah, being warned of Yahweh concerning things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; through which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith." (Hebrews 11:7)
An intelligent Elohim would have given mankind rules to live by. Rules which if followed would result in some kind of blessing for those who keep it. Yahweh has done this. People that do evil in this world will not escape judgment. Each person will be judged according to their works.
As schoolchildren, we learn that the earth is moving about our sun in a very nearly circular orbit. It covers this route at a speed of nearly 30 kilometers per second, or 67,000 miles per hour. In addition, our solar system--Earth and all--whirls around the center of our galaxy at some 220 kilometers per second, or 490,000 miles per hour. We're standing on a clunk of rock, hurling through space at high speeds, and you think that there is no supernatural guidance or intervention? I find that hard to believe. In my mind, you would have to be rather blind to all the beauty that is in the earth of Yahweh's creative power to think there is no Creator. There is a Creator. His Name is Yahweh.
“The reality is that we don’t have archaeological records for virtually anyone who lived in [Yahshua's] time and place,” says University of North Carolina religious studies professor Bart D. Ehrman, author of Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth. “The lack of evidence does not mean a person at the time didn’t exist. It means that she or he, like 99.99% of the rest of the world at the time, made no impact on the archaeological record.”
It was the Pharisees intention, as you will probably know having no doubt read the Gospels yourself, to eradicate all mention of Yahshua and the work that he had done. Thus the most prominent mention of Yahshua is in the Gospels.
PearlSeeker
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It's also useful to read other books by the same author.
Thrillobyte
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>>>>> “The reality is that we don’t have archaeological records for virtually anyone who lived in [Yahshua's] time
It's not a good argument to say "in Yashua's time" because he's timeless, right? But I get your point. And my point is it doesn't matter if there's little to no evidence for the other historical figures because nobody asks us to worship them and accept them as our personal savior and coerce us to upend our lives to dedicate our lives to them on pain of suffering forever in fiery hell if we don't and other such sundry garbage the church demands of us.
Thrillobyte
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Of course it is.