I find Jesus is the King (verse 34) who does the 'separating work' at Jesus' coming Glory Time - Matthew 25:31-34.
Jesus will govern as King for a thousand years according to 1 Corinthians 15:24-26.
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I find Jesus is the King (verse 34) who does the 'separating work' at Jesus' coming Glory Time - Matthew 25:31-34.
Jesus will govern as King for a thousand years according to 1 Corinthians 15:24-26.
Altfish
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Quoting Bible verses to an atheist is not helpful. But thank you anyway.
paarsurrey
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URAVIP2ME said: ↑
I find Jesus is the King (verse 34) who does the 'separating work' at Jesus' coming Glory Time - Matthew 25:31-34.
Jesus will govern as King for a thousand years according to 1 Corinthians 15:24-26.
They are to give claims from Jesus and the supporting reasonable argument given by Jesus himself for the non-believer Atheists, and refrain from spoon-feeding their "Christ " with their own unreasonable ones quoting from the Scripture, as I understand, please. Right?
Regards
I find Jesus is the King (verse 34) who does the 'separating work' at Jesus' coming Glory Time - Matthew 25:31-34.
Jesus will govern as King for a thousand years according to 1 Corinthians 15:24-26.
The Pauline-Hellenistic-Christianity have (the blind) faith in "Christ" based on claims only and have lost the reasonable argument given by Jesus- the Jewish Messiah, one must say, please. Right?
They are to give claims from Jesus and the supporting reasonable argument given by Jesus himself for the non-believer Atheists, and refrain from spoon-feeding their "Christ " with their own unreasonable ones quoting from the Scripture, as I understand, please. Right?
Regards
Altfish
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Give me sources NOT in the Bible or other holy books, quoting the Bible is a circular argument
btw how many "Believing atheists" do you know ... as opposed to non-believing atheists?
Jesus did Not have blind faith (credulity) but based his faith by his logical reasoning on the old Hebrew Scriptures.
Jesus used the old Hebrew Scriptures on which to base his faith, his confidence, in his teachings.
Jesus explained or expounded Scripture for us.
Just quoting, or rather adding to your fund of knowledge whether it be secular or of biblical it is still information.
For example: back in the 60's an atheist took me on a small tour of the United Nations and at the UN Plaza there is the Isaiah Wall with the Isaiah statue (Isaiah 2:4) and he wanted me to explain those words.
paarsurrey
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paarsurrey said: ↑
URAVIP2ME said: ↑
I find Jesus is the King (verse 34) who does the 'separating work' at Jesus' coming Glory Time - Matthew 25:31-34.
Jesus will govern as King for a thousand years according to 1 Corinthians 15:24-26.
The Pauline-Hellenistic-Christianity have (the blind) faith in "Christ" based on claims only and have lost the reasonable argument given by Jesus- the Jewish Messiah, one must say, please. Right?
They are to give claims from Jesus and the supporting reasonable argument given by Jesus himself for the non-believer Atheists, and refrain from spoon-feeding their "Christ " with their own unreasonable ones quoting from the Scripture, as I understand, please. Right?
" Jesus explained or expounded Scripture for us "
Does one mean that Jesus explained/expounded the Scripture or the OT/Torah, as he left no NT-Gospels written by him or authored by him , please. Right?
Regards
URAVIP2ME said: ↑
I find Jesus is the King (verse 34) who does the 'separating work' at Jesus' coming Glory Time - Matthew 25:31-34.
Jesus will govern as King for a thousand years according to 1 Corinthians 15:24-26.
The Pauline-Hellenistic-Christianity have (the blind) faith in "Christ" based on claims only and have lost the reasonable argument given by Jesus- the Jewish Messiah, one must say, please. Right?
They are to give claims from Jesus and the supporting reasonable argument given by Jesus himself for the non-believer Atheists, and refrain from spoon-feeding their "Christ " with their own unreasonable ones quoting from the Scripture, as I understand, please. Right?
I agree with one here.
" Jesus explained or expounded Scripture for us "
Does one mean that Jesus explained/expounded the Scripture or the OT/Torah, as he left no NT-Gospels written by him or authored by him , please. Right?
Regards
Yes, Jesus explained the OT for us as was God's Word (Scripture) at Jesus' time frame - John 17:17
In other words, OT Scripture was religious truth as found in the old Hebrew Scriptures.
In the Bible, God is its Author - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
So, God inspired the Bible writers to write about Jesus for us. (God is the Boss and the writers are His secretaries)
I suppose their quoting Jesus could be said that Jesus authorized that.
paarsurrey
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" 2 Timothy 3:16-17 "
One has been given to understand it incorrectly, one gathers, please. Right?
It (2 Timothy 3:16-17 ) have also neither been spoken by Yeshua- the Jewish Messiah nor authored by him nor written by him, please, as the above verses have not been colored red in the following Red Letter Bibles, please:
The Second Epistle of St. Paul to Timothy
World Messianic Bible 2 Timothy 3
New Testament (RLE): The Second Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Timothy
Right?
Will one kindly correct oneself, please? Right?
Regards
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Then what? Atheists will take over?
If you read 1 Corinthians 15:28 you will read it is Not Atheists but Jesus handing back God's Kingdom being returned to his God according to 1 Corinthians 15:24.Then what? Atheists will take over?
By that time mankind will have reached the original human perfection that Adam had before his downfall.
Those living at that time will have proven themselves faithful to God thus worthy of everlasting life on Earth.
Unlike un-trusting Adam and Eve, those living trust their God, who He is and what He stands for, thus they love God.
They whole-heartedly 'thank and appreciate' God for all that Earth provides for them and to live forever on Earth.
Unlike Adam and Eve, those living at that time have proved Satan the liar and Not God - Proverbs 27:11
paarsurrey
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Pilate was not a believer of Jesus even then he wanted to save Jesus' life, I understand.
First of all Pilate fixed crucifixion of Jesus on the late hours of Friday so that Jesus remained only for a few hours on the Cross. Right?
Regards
Wildswanderer
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Jesus is coming back as a conquering King... not the way he came the first time.
So, all these people saying he's not going to take sides dont know what they're talking about. He will take the side of a righteous judge.
So, all these people saying he's not going to take sides dont know what they're talking about. He will take the side of a righteous judge.
Kelly of the Phoenix
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That’s how the Bible tells it but it’s not historically accurate. Historically, Pilate was so evil that the evil Romans banished him.
Kelly of the Phoenix
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That’ll be something since he didn’t last a decade the first time.
Yes, Jesus' ministry was just over three years but his faithful death is the ransom for us - Matthew 20:28
Because we sin we die. If we could stop sinning we would Not die.
Since we die and can't resurrect oneself or another thus we need someone who can resurrect us. Jesus can and will.
Please notice that resurrection is to take place in the future according to Luke at Acts of the Apostles 24:15
Resurrection Day is: Jesus' coming Millennium-Long Day when he will govern over Earth for a thousand years.
The passing of time was needed for all of us to be born and think who we would like as Sovereign over us.
In other words, Messiah (Jesus) could have appeared on the earthly scene at any time after Adam's downfall.
So, not knowing the day or hour does Not mean we can't now see the season is now right for Jesus to come.
paarsurrey
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" Jesus is coming back as a conquering King "
Kindly quote from Jesus in this connection, please. Right?
If one cannot, isn't it an accusation against Jesus, please? Right?
Regards
paarsurrey
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None of the Pauline-Christianity people of the 45000+ denominations including the JWs and the Latter Day Saints could quote from Jesus that he would come back as a conquering King, as Jesus never claimed it, one, therefore, gets to know from it, please. Right?
Jesus' "Second Coming", since he died naturally (neither died on the Cross nor resurrected from the dead, I understand) is not to be in the physical and material form as those who die never return to this world in physical and material form, please. Right?
Instead of that somebody born of a father and mother was to come in Jesus' character and spiritual status to clear Jesus from all the accusations that have been made against Jesus by the Hellenist-Paul, his associates and the Pauline-Church with reasonable arguments, it transpires, please. Right?
And Jesus' himself explained it, didn't he please. Right?
Regards
paarsurrey
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" And Jesus' himself explained it, as to what is meant by Second Coming of a person, didn't he please. Right?"
John the Baptist was asked by a delegation of priests (present tense) "Art thou Elias", he replied "I am not":
John 1:21 "Then who are you?" they inquired. "Are you Elijah?" He said, "I am not." "Are you the Prophet?" He answered, "No."
Matthew 11:14 -15:
14And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. 15He who has ears, let him hear.…
Matthew 11:14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.
Didn't Jesus declare that John-the-Baptist is in spirit/character/deeds is Elias/Elijah, please? Right?
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 is therefore Second in Coming of Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah in spirit/character/deeds , it transpires, please. Right?
And there is a purpose to it, please
Regards
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Muffled
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Rev 17:14 They will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful.”