Trailblazer
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I am transferring my posts that accidentally got posted in the wrong directory to this directory.
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That is just how you interpret the story because that is what you want to believe. You interpret it to mean physical life of the body but I interpret it differently. I interpret it to mean eternal life of the soul.
25 Jesus said to her: “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life;
This verse says nothing about physical life, it just says life; and given everything else Jesus said about spiritual life it is obvious to me that is what it refers to.
26 and everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all. Do you believe this?”
It is obvious this verse means that everyone who is living and exercises faith in Jesus shall never die spiritually, because we know all people die physically.
We all have free will, so we all choose to act according to one of these two natures. By our choices and ensuing behavior, we start to differentiate ourselves, and we wind up on a continuum between good and evil.
All imperfection comes from our physical nature; our spiritual nature is purely good.
Question.—In verse 22 of chapter 15 of 1 Corinthians it is written: “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” What is the meaning of these words?
Answer.—Know that there are two natures in man: the physical nature and the spiritual nature. The physical nature is inherited from Adam, and the spiritual nature is inherited from the Reality of the Word of God, which is the spirituality of Christ. The physical nature is born of Adam, but the spiritual nature is born from the bounty of the Holy Spirit. The first is the source of all imperfection; the second is the source of all perfection.
The Christ sacrificed Himself so that men might be freed from the imperfections of the physical nature and might become possessed of the virtues of the spiritual nature. This spiritual nature, which came into existence through the bounty of the Divine Reality, is the union of all perfections and appears through the breath of the Holy Spirit. It is the divine perfections; it is light, spirituality, guidance, exaltation, high aspiration, justice, love, grace, kindness to all, philanthropy, the essence of life. It is the reflection of the splendor of the Sun of Reality.
Some Answered Questions, p. 118
Christians believe that the tree of life was a source of ongoing physical life, that Adam and Eve were designed to live forever, but to do so they likely needed to eat from the tree of life.
What is the Tree of Life?
“In Eden, the tree appears to have been a source of ongoing physical life. The presence of the tree of life suggests a supernatural provision of life as Adam and Eve ate the fruit their Creator provided. Adam and Eve were designed to live forever, but to do so they likely needed to eat from the tree of life. Once they sinned, they were banned from the Garden, separated from the tree, and subject to physical death, just as they had experienced spiritual death. Since Eden, death has reigned throughout history. But on the New Earth, our access to the tree of life is forever restored. (Notice that there’s no mention of a tree of the knowledge of good and evil to test us. The redeemed have already known sin and its devastation; they will desire it no more.)” What is the Tree of Life?
Baha’is believe that the tree of life is the Word of God which bestows eternal life. This tree of life was the position of the Reality of Christ; through His manifestation it was planted and adorned with everlasting fruits. Eternal life is a quality of life, of being near to God; it is not physical life, but spiritual life. God never created the physical body to live forever. Once the physical body dies, the soul leaves the body and ascends to the spiritual world where it takes on a new form comprised of spiritual elements that exist in the spiritual realm.
It is a tree of life to all who grasp it, and whoever holds on to it is happy; its ways are ways of pleasantness, and all it paths are peace. (Proverbs 3:17-18)
“The tree of life is the highest degree of the world of existence: the position of the Word of God, and the supreme Manifestation. Therefore, that position has been preserved; and, at the appearance of the most noble supreme Manifestation, it became apparent and clear. For the position of Adam, with regard to the appearance and manifestation of the divine perfections, was in the embryonic condition; the position of Christ was the condition of maturity and the age of reason; and the rising of the Greatest Luminary 4 was the condition of the perfection of the essence and of the qualities. This is why in the supreme Paradise the tree of life is the expression for the center of absolutely pure sanctity—that is to say, of the divine supreme Manifestation. From the days of Adam until the days of Christ, They spoke little of eternal life and the heavenly universal perfections. This tree of life was the position of the Reality of Christ; through His manifestation it was planted and adorned with everlasting fruits.”
Some Answered Questions, p. 124
From: 30: ADAM AND EVE
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Jesus resurrected three people and healed thousands of their sicknesses and deformities. Not spiritual...but literal, physical resurrections and healing.
The most famous of course was Lazarus. He had been dead for four days when Jesus restored him to life.
Your quotes from John 11 are from Lazarus' sister.
But none of what Jesus said was "spiritual"...it was as literal as the resurrection he performed on Lazarus.
John 11:5-26 tells the story.
"Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazʹa·rus. 6 However, when he heard that Lazʹa·rus was sick, he actually remained in the place where he was for two more days. . . .
11 After he said these things, he added: “Lazʹa·rus our friend has fallen asleep, but I am traveling there to awaken him.” 12 The disciples then said to him: “Lord, if he is sleeping, he will get well.” 13 Jesus, however, had spoken about his death. But they imagined he was speaking about taking rest in sleep. 14 Then Jesus said to them plainly: “Lazʹa·rus has died, 15 and I rejoice for your sake that I was not there, so that you may believe. But let us go to him.” . . . . .
17 When Jesus arrived, he found that Lazʹa·rus had already been in the tomb for four days. 18 Now Bethʹa·ny was near Jerusalem, about two miles away. 19 And many of the Jews had come to Martha and Mary to console them concerning their brother. 20 When Martha heard that Jesus was coming, she went to meet him; but Mary kept sitting at home. 21 Martha then said to Jesus: “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died. 22 Yet even now I know that whatever you ask God for, God will give you.” 23 Jesus said to her: “Your brother will rise.” 24 Martha said to him: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.” 25 Jesus said to her: “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; 26 and everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all. Do you believe this?”
There is nothing allegorical or symbolic about this account. A dear friend had died and Jesus went to where they laid him in his tomb, and brought him back to life.
That is just how you interpret the story because that is what you want to believe. You interpret it to mean physical life of the body but I interpret it differently. I interpret it to mean eternal life of the soul.
25 Jesus said to her: “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life;
This verse says nothing about physical life, it just says life; and given everything else Jesus said about spiritual life it is obvious to me that is what it refers to.
26 and everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all. Do you believe this?”
It is obvious this verse means that everyone who is living and exercises faith in Jesus shall never die spiritually, because we know all people die physically.
None of these verses say anything about physical bodies. Dead bodies do not come out of graves and come back to life. The only place we rise to is the spiritual kingdom. We won’t need physical bodies there, we will have spiritual bodies.Isaiah prophesied about the dead physically rising. (Isaiah 26:19) So did Daniel, and the apostle John. (Daniel 12:2; John 5:28-29)
That is how you interpret Genesis. To say that we never would have died is not to say we never would have died physically. It is to say we never would have died spiritually, if Adam and Eve had not eaten of the tree of good and evil, thus knowing what evil was and being able to choose evil.Genesis confirms that it was mortal physical life that could have continued forever if Adam and his wife had simply obeyed God's one simple command. God did not design humans to die and live somewhere else. This earth was never intended to be a training ground for heaven...it was to be man's permanent home.
We all have free will, so we all choose to act according to one of these two natures. By our choices and ensuing behavior, we start to differentiate ourselves, and we wind up on a continuum between good and evil.
All imperfection comes from our physical nature; our spiritual nature is purely good.
Question.—In verse 22 of chapter 15 of 1 Corinthians it is written: “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” What is the meaning of these words?
Answer.—Know that there are two natures in man: the physical nature and the spiritual nature. The physical nature is inherited from Adam, and the spiritual nature is inherited from the Reality of the Word of God, which is the spirituality of Christ. The physical nature is born of Adam, but the spiritual nature is born from the bounty of the Holy Spirit. The first is the source of all imperfection; the second is the source of all perfection.
The Christ sacrificed Himself so that men might be freed from the imperfections of the physical nature and might become possessed of the virtues of the spiritual nature. This spiritual nature, which came into existence through the bounty of the Divine Reality, is the union of all perfections and appears through the breath of the Holy Spirit. It is the divine perfections; it is light, spirituality, guidance, exaltation, high aspiration, justice, love, grace, kindness to all, philanthropy, the essence of life. It is the reflection of the splendor of the Sun of Reality.
Some Answered Questions, p. 118
When humans do not partake of the "tree of life" they start to die spiritually. They would have died physically regardless, because physical bodies were designed to die.The fact that God barred the way to the only thing he provided to keep them alive forever, proves that it was this life that God planned for humans. (Genesis 3:22-24) Only when they could not partake of the "tree of life" did they start to die. There is no other mention of death in Eden.....there was no natural cause to end their life, so that they would have to go on living somewhere else in spirit form. God already had a family of spirit beings in heaven and none of them need to be humans first.
Christians believe that the tree of life was a source of ongoing physical life, that Adam and Eve were designed to live forever, but to do so they likely needed to eat from the tree of life.
What is the Tree of Life?
“In Eden, the tree appears to have been a source of ongoing physical life. The presence of the tree of life suggests a supernatural provision of life as Adam and Eve ate the fruit their Creator provided. Adam and Eve were designed to live forever, but to do so they likely needed to eat from the tree of life. Once they sinned, they were banned from the Garden, separated from the tree, and subject to physical death, just as they had experienced spiritual death. Since Eden, death has reigned throughout history. But on the New Earth, our access to the tree of life is forever restored. (Notice that there’s no mention of a tree of the knowledge of good and evil to test us. The redeemed have already known sin and its devastation; they will desire it no more.)” What is the Tree of Life?
Baha’is believe that the tree of life is the Word of God which bestows eternal life. This tree of life was the position of the Reality of Christ; through His manifestation it was planted and adorned with everlasting fruits. Eternal life is a quality of life, of being near to God; it is not physical life, but spiritual life. God never created the physical body to live forever. Once the physical body dies, the soul leaves the body and ascends to the spiritual world where it takes on a new form comprised of spiritual elements that exist in the spiritual realm.
It is a tree of life to all who grasp it, and whoever holds on to it is happy; its ways are ways of pleasantness, and all it paths are peace. (Proverbs 3:17-18)
“The tree of life is the highest degree of the world of existence: the position of the Word of God, and the supreme Manifestation. Therefore, that position has been preserved; and, at the appearance of the most noble supreme Manifestation, it became apparent and clear. For the position of Adam, with regard to the appearance and manifestation of the divine perfections, was in the embryonic condition; the position of Christ was the condition of maturity and the age of reason; and the rising of the Greatest Luminary 4 was the condition of the perfection of the essence and of the qualities. This is why in the supreme Paradise the tree of life is the expression for the center of absolutely pure sanctity—that is to say, of the divine supreme Manifestation. From the days of Adam until the days of Christ, They spoke little of eternal life and the heavenly universal perfections. This tree of life was the position of the Reality of Christ; through His manifestation it was planted and adorned with everlasting fruits.”
Some Answered Questions, p. 124
From: 30: ADAM AND EVE