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    Are ANY of the arguments convincing?

    Don't get your hopes up. I've similarly asked for evidence, and all I get is "I have faith that the scriptures are correct" or something to that effect. And I'm not even being derogatory, I've asked countless questions on Yahoo! Answers and have never once been given any more evidence than "I...
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    Are ANY of the arguments convincing?

    It's not an either-or situation, i.e. it's not "God exists" or "God doesn't exist". For all we know, Allah is the divine creator of the universe. Or Brahman and all his various incarnations. Perhaps Waheguru. Or the Greco-Roman Pantheon (Zeus/Jupiter, Poseidon/Neptune, Hades/Pluto), else the...
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    Are ANY of the arguments convincing?

    What he's saying, I believe, is that if you deduce something from the premise "God doesn't exist" that is obviously wrong, and your deduction is correct, then the premise "God doesn't exist" is wrong. He is presumably then inferring from this that if it's incorrect to say "God doesn't exist"...
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    Are ANY of the arguments convincing?

    And where would you introduce proof that God exists? To the shop assistant at Marks and Spencers? You can publish it in a book, introduce it in a seminar/speech or talk to it with friends, but the entire point of proof is that it is used in debate, whether directly or indirectly.
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    Are ANY of the arguments convincing?

    I don't find that valid at all. Even if you did deduce with the highest accuracy something completely ridiculous from the premise "God doesn't exist", disproving that deduction wouldn't prove that God therefore exists. It could suggest an infinite number of things. It could say that an unnamed...
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    Are ANY of the arguments convincing?

    No, that's not the point at all. You can take something seriously without assuming it exists. If you were trying to prove the existence of God, of course you wouldn't make the argument that God doesn't exist because that's not what you believe in. That's simple logic. But if you were in a...
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    Are ANY of the arguments convincing?

    Personally, I find the Bible to be long and boring with little substance or anything of note. Myself, I prefer the Qur'an. It's shorter and that bit easier to understand. You said "You have to assume "god exists" into your argument, else you have nothing to prove." I was illustrating by...
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    Are ANY of the arguments convincing?

    You don't have to assume god exists in your argument, that's your hypothesis. I can't stress this enough. The theory is "God exists", now we set about proving it. You can't assume God exists while proving it, you have to use reason and observation combined to prove it. Let me illustrate by...
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    Are ANY of the arguments convincing?

    "millions follow today." Yeah, well millions follow Islam, too. Does that change anything? "Josephus..." Did you read what I said about him? He wasn't even around when Jesus was. "and many others engaged in a giant conspiracy to create a fictional account of a man who taught about peace and...
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    Are ANY of the arguments convincing?

    I could turn that round on you and say "Many Christians trying to convince others there is a God are trying to convince themselves" but it would be equally vacuous, baseless and meaningless.
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    Hey people!

    You'll need it! This is a bloody difficult website to get to grips with.
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    How do you earn frubals?

    This is never explained anywhere on the site that I can see. I'm not even too clear on what they really are, just that I apparently need a certain amount to be allowed a signature? Can you give other people frubals? How?
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    Are ANY of the arguments convincing?

    Because that's where following the logic leads us: to conclude that there is no God. We don't need a cause or ulterior motive for that, save the basic pursuit of truth.
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    Are ANY of the arguments convincing?

    Maybe I was wrong then.
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    Are ANY of the arguments convincing?

    You asked an irrelevant question which has been asked countless times before all across the internet. Of course few people are going to take you seriously.
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    Are ANY of the arguments convincing?

    Truth. What are you trying to gain by yours?
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    Are ANY of the arguments convincing?

    The chicken and the egg has been explained for a long time. The egg came first because at some point another reptile must've laid a chicken egg. The chicken and the egg conundrum does not indicate a creator, and a creator does not indicate God. Even if you apply CATE to the universe at...
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    Are ANY of the arguments convincing?

    No, not really. I can't see how I'm "screaming for help". All I'm asking for is justified opinions for once.
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    Are ANY of the arguments convincing?

    You're getting terms confused. A proof doesn't assume what it's trying to prove, the assumption is formed in the hypothesis. A hypothesis is a basic assumption. That's when you use the proof to ... well, prove your hypothesis. The prove cannot be self-assuming otherwise any number of arguments...
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    Are ANY of the arguments convincing?

    This is not a valid way of gaining knowledge. Knowledge available only to a certain few is not knowledge, it is conjecture. Knowledge should be demonstratable, i.e. backed up with empirical and rational evidence.
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