angellous,
What do you do with the (cosmic signs) and the gathering of the elect?
Can't be at the end of the 70th week because there is no wrath of God mentioned in Matthew 24;29-31 but clearly is a rapture passage. It can't be the return to set up His Kingdom because this cosmic sign occurs...
Hi Mister Emu,
Would it be possible to move my thread, "The Pre-Wrath Rapture" out of the same-faith category into the Eschatology category where it should be and will create more discussions?
Thank you,
Mike
Ba'al,
If you choose to include the Baha'i faith into your definition of Christian unity be my guest. Such an inclusion would make the church fathers twist and turn upside down in their graves. :facepalm:
You may post all you want Bruce. I have made a point that as you consider Baha'i a version of Christianity that the Baha'i by any definition cannot place themselves under the banner of Christianity. I am not debating this...orthodoxy speaks for itself.
Carry on Bruce...
Watchman,
I didn't realize this was a LDS thread. It would be an effort in futility to discuss biblical doctrine when another book, "The Book of Mormon" will be considered as the final authority to interpretation.
Respectfully...
"Seventy 'sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy."
Daniel 9:24
I agree Kathryn, but verse 22 that you cited is proof positive for a Pre-Wrath rapture.
The 6th seal (cosmic signs) lines up with Matthew 24:29-31. The day's of antichrist's wrath upon the saints is shortened when Jesus sends His angels to "catch-up" His saints before the Great "Day of the Lord"...
I respect your opinion John but the bible clearly teaches a coming of Jesus to (remove, deliver) His saints from the wrath to come. As in the Day's of Noah, (Delivery then Destruction).
The bible say's Jesus is our Deliverer who Delivers/Rescues (saves) us from the wrath to come.
...wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead--Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.
1 Thessalonians 1:10
A Pre-Wrath Rapture Overview:
The Great Tribulation (seal 5) begins at the midpoint of the seven year period known as "Daniel's 70th week".
When the Great Tribulation begins (mid-point), there will be 3 1/2 years left for God to fulfill His goals as stated in Daniel 9:24.
"Seventy weeks...