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  1. AgnosticGuy

    Trump's Second Impeachment - A jump to conclusions

    Trump or anyone else can have any view they want. To you it may be a lie but to others it may be truth. That shouldn't be hard to consider given that we have debates on which view is true and that tends to happen with both sides thinking their side is right. WHen it comes to causation, I...
  2. AgnosticGuy

    The democratic leaders is hyprocrites

    Those are very good points. I've identified 3 faulty ways of thinking that are common among politicians. 1. There are some that don't care about logic and evidence. This is clearly seen in my thread regarding Trump's second impeachment, where some are okay with the process being rushed...
  3. AgnosticGuy

    Trump's Second Impeachment - A jump to conclusions

    You did not deny that the Democrat Representative was inciting violence when I pressed you on it. Instead, your focus is on the target of the violence. I would've thought that all violence was bad. You see this is why I suspect that some Democrats are not really against violence, but rather...
  4. AgnosticGuy

    Trump's Second Impeachment - A jump to conclusions

    Please elaborate. I'd like to see a logical explanation as to why calling for or encouraging unrest in an already heated situation is not inciting in comparison to what Trump did.
  5. AgnosticGuy

    Trump's Second Impeachment - A jump to conclusions

    How about this one said during BLM protests: "Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D-MA) called on Americans to crank up “unrest in the streets” in a weekend interview on MSNBC. “You know, there needs to be unrest in the streets for as long as there’s unrest in our lives.”" Source: Rep. Pressley Calls on...
  6. AgnosticGuy

    Trump's Second Impeachment - A jump to conclusions

    If I were to follow your logic, then we would not be able to speak about hot button issues out of fear that it could enrage someone and lead him or her to commit violence. That includes matters of race, politics, religion, etc. That's obviously not a good standard to follow. You bring up...
  7. AgnosticGuy

    Trump's Second Impeachment - A jump to conclusions

    Believing that the elections were stolen doesn't mean you need to resort to violence anymore than believing that systemic racism exists in America. Sure, these issues would enrage a lot of people, but that alone can't be a reason to ban or target such speech otherwise that becomes a slippery...
  8. AgnosticGuy

    Trump's Second Impeachment - A jump to conclusions

    I would only agree with you if having that belief could only led to violence, but that is not the case. It can also lead some to push for more stringent voting laws. It may also lead some to peaceful protest, and despite the media only focusing on the violent protest, there were plenty of...
  9. AgnosticGuy

    Trump's Second Impeachment - A jump to conclusions

    This is more of a case of bad research on your part... Here goes the relevant section:
  10. AgnosticGuy

    Trump's Second Impeachment - A jump to conclusions

    I agree that those were examples of violent posts. That's one reason I didn't drop my Amazon account. Decided to look into it first. Parler should acquire staff to moderate those types of comments.
  11. AgnosticGuy

    Trump's Second Impeachment - A jump to conclusions

    I want to follow logic and evidence. That is also a good thing.
  12. AgnosticGuy

    Trump's Second Impeachment - A jump to conclusions

    Trump has called for shootings? Did you know that the president said the following on January 6, the day of the riot: "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." Source: What Trump said in rally speech to...
  13. AgnosticGuy

    Trump's Second Impeachment - A jump to conclusions

    You keep bringing up that it's not required by the Constitution, but do you find that to be a good thing? Such a process would amount to jumping to conclusions.
  14. AgnosticGuy

    Trump's Second Impeachment - A jump to conclusions

    A prima facie case is the establishment of a legally required rebuttable presumption. A prima facie case is a cause of action or defense that is sufficiently established by a party's evidence to justify a verdict in his or her favor, provided such evidence is not rebutted by the other party...
  15. AgnosticGuy

    Trump's Second Impeachment - A jump to conclusions

    “It is time for us as Democrats to be as tough as they are, to be as dedicated as they are, to be as committed as they are,” Holder said. “Michelle always says, Michelle Obama, I love her. She and my wife are really tight. Which always scares me and Barack. Michelle always says, ‘When they go...
  16. AgnosticGuy

    Trump's Second Impeachment - A jump to conclusions

    The logic in my post is pretty simple. It wasn't meant to be partisan as I clearly said I am not against the impeachment but rather I'm against the process of doing it by jumping to conclusions. If you go through an impeachment without considering evidence for and against your position, then...
  17. AgnosticGuy

    Trump's Second Impeachment - A jump to conclusions

    It is a jump to conclusions when you are unwilling to consider evidence for and against. Watching the events of that day does not tell me about Trump's intent. It does not tell me if this attack was planned before Trump's speech. I also find this to be a double standard because many in the...
  18. AgnosticGuy

    Trump's Second Impeachment - A jump to conclusions

    The question is if Trump caused it. To not even be willing to consider if there's evidence that he did NOT cause it is troubling. It shows some close-mindedness. Anything should be open for debate or inquiry.
  19. AgnosticGuy

    Trump's Second Impeachment - A jump to conclusions

    Sure, it's not a criminal trial technically, but an inquiry into impeachment can occur to determine if allegations are true or merit impeachment. To not do such is just a jump to conclusions, and that's true whether or not a trial or vetting is not required under the Constitution. However, it's...
  20. AgnosticGuy

    Trump's Second Impeachment - A jump to conclusions

    Sure, we all saw some events, but then we all may have different interpretations. You and I may have differing opinions, so how do we determine which one is correct? In a criminal case involving inciting violence, intent plays a role. How do you know intent without investigating it? How do...
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