Oh, wow, you are still at it!
I did not know it was humanly possible for someone so educated to be so reliably and consistently irrelevant. You never fail to read like a fortune cookie at the end of a very broken telephone. Good job!
At least you took my advice from earlier, and are trying...
You and me both, ArtieE. The rationalist perspective at the heart of atheism precludes a positive belief against the existence of god for the same reason it precludes a positive belief for the existence of god: No evidence, either way.
Cue accusation of agnosticism in 3... 2... 1...
Oh, absolutely, exalt the vicissitudes of the English language---that'll surely make a dent on the fact that a person who says "I have no reason to believe in unicorns, fairies, or gods" is, by general usage, strict definition or just about anything in between... an atheist.
Period.
(Did I...
Oh! And just in case you thought you were being left out: Yes, I'm deliberately ignoring you. Your cowardly efforts to freeze people out of the discussion with calculated laundry-lists of obfuscating jargon and assigned homework are as transparent as they are childish.
I assert that even...
Citation needed.
Oh! There it is!
Bunyip, I've only known you a short while and I already love you like a brother-and/or-sister-but-demographically-most-likely-brother, but you've let a bunch of schoolchildren bat you around like a shuttlecock for going on five pages now. You've let them...
Are you really willing to define atheism and agnosticism as "lack of belief" vs. "lack of knowledge"? Because... because---and I don't normally do this---you really shouldn't. It'd be like shooting fish in a barrel... tomorrow. I do need sleep.
Edit: Oh! What he said:
I know, right? I may have just converted myself...which... kinda sounds sinful.
Yep! Glad to hear you've evolved from your earlier definition---and so quickly, too!
Oh dear, I'm getting too snarky. Time to sleep and recharge my patience-batteries.
Amateur mistake: You gotta bury the bones in their yard, or they're all "you just buried those bones in your yard, didn't you?", and then you've gotta rely on your talent for subterfuge---which, having been trained (as all atheists are) in Hell for such purposes, we're certainly well-equipped...
Careful, you're letting them drag you too far down the rabbit hole: That's not a distinction I'm prepared to acknowledge. I'm still waiting for someone to distinguish agnosticism from atheism in a manner that makes any intelligible sense whatsoever.
Are you.. do you.. I can't... what?
Let me try to get this straight: atheism infers no claim of not knowing and no claim of knowing---it doesn't infer "A", "not A", "I don't know if A", or "I don't know if not A". You've literally defined the term "atheism" into meaningless nonexistence.
As an atheist who eats babies, I accept your terms. The universe needs a cause because the universe is not God, and only God needs no cause. I mean, this is some by-definition shasterisks here.
Ooh! Can I play? I've gotten very good at pretending to be a theist---really, at this point, we atheists can have these debates all by ourselves:
Nothing caused God. God didn't have to be caused. By definition, God exists outside of time, is eternal, and had no beginning. Check!
Exactly. I lack six-pack abs. Never had them to begin with, but I lack 'em all the same: "lack" is a much broader word than suggesting a loss or a missing piece. It doesn't even have to refer to something possible or desirable: I also lack a terminal illness (er, that I know of). All of...
This atheist couldn't have said it better himself. Because I lack a reason to believe, and because I choose to believe in things only if I have a reason to believe in them, it follows that a choice was made that led me to my atheism. However: The same is true when you say you have no belief...
If I understand you correctly, I completely agree: You've hit the nail on the head, quite honestly (though you laid the poetic mysticism on a bit too thickly for my tastes :) ). Let me rephrase it back to you, to see if we're on the same page:
The core of this debate lies in the definition...
As important to genuine philosophical inquiry as Bayesian analysis, modal logics "and" epistemology are (an oddly redundant catch-all for you to throw into the middle of a list of specifics---but at six syllables it certainly complemented that tactical broadside of intimidating jargon!), the...