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  1. Oeste

    Jesus is not God

    Ah, my bad. I don't believe we've conversed before, and I did not fully explain my answer. I am greatly rushed when I post here, so I don't always have the opportunity to re-explain things when conversing with new readers. Fully human means just that, Jesus is fully man. The pre-existent Jesus...
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    Jesus is not God

    Actually, Pharoah considered himself a God, which would give us 3 Gods which is something Trinitarians certainly don't believe in. I read this not on its own (as a "proof-text") for polytheism, but in conjunction with the overwhelming evidence of scripture that there is only one true God...
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    Jesus is not God

    Welcome to the Forum and to our discussion here @Bible_Student. This is an excellent question and one I'd wish to discuss. First I'd like to point out that Jesus is the Son of Man: As the Son of Man, Jesus is completely and fully human. Not half-human, not part-human, but fully human. During...
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    Jesus is not God

    Absolutely! "Half the scripture is half the understanding". I can see your point in that. Let's take this point and run. I'd like to address this in my next post with our new member, @Bible_Student.
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    Jesus is not God

    IMO, "Proof-texting" of this sort tends to have an outsized value with unorthodox religions. We've had proof-texting matches on this forum before. The result is a wall of text that gets boring very quickly and very few people read. I've found it more productive and fulfilling to limit myself to...
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    Jesus is not God

    Hi @Michael Junior Welcome to our discussion! Just a heads up... I'm not sure how this thread resurfaced as it's nearly 20 years old. I believe the profiles for both Andy and No*s have been deleted.
  7. Oeste

    Jesus is not God

    Yes, but God is already unique, so an additional determiner would not be necessary.
  8. Oeste

    Jesus is not God

    Hi @jimb, God does not share His praise or glory with another (Isiah 42:8), and yet we see Him doing exactly that here, at Mat 28: 16-20). In fact, we're told to “obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ” (2 Thess. 2:14). It only gets weirder when our Arian friends tell us this verse actually...
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    Jesus is not God

    Agreed @Lisa Sims! Of course, Trinitarians believe in one triune God, not in a God with "parts". Can you elaborate ore on your reference to Luke? If you're a researcher, this is a good motto to have. However, as Christians, we know we see through a glass darkly. For now we see through a...
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    Jesus is not God

    I believe I see your reason as well, however, we should not get the impression that Jesus is calling, equating, or making himself "a god". He's simply stating that the corrupt Judges of Israel were are called gods, do calling himself God is not a blasphemous crime. After all, they are called...
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    Jesus is not God

    Hi blü, How are you? We haven't spoken in a while. That would be Adoptionism, a heresy developed by Theodotus, a tanner from Byzantium (located at the entrance to the Black Sea) somewhere around the second century. It was denounced by the early Church at Nicea. It pops up in our modern era...
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    Jesus is not God

    Agreed, but then Jesus was God's begotten son, Adam was not. No angel is called the begotten Son of God. Jesus is the begotten Son of God. Jesus is the ONLY begotten Son of God.
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    Jesus is not God

    The Son of God is God precisely because he is the Son of God. The Son of Man is Man precisely because he is the Son of Man The Son of Dog is Dog precisely because he is the Son of Dog. The Son of Frog is Frog precisely because he is the Son of Frog. If you have any biblical illustrations where...
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    Jesus is not God

    Correct! There are many frogs classified as anura. Absolutely! There are many dogs classified as canines. Yes! We're on a roll @Hockycowboy! ;:) It's quite possible to have many men classified as human. Excellent HockyCowboy! Logically, the Son of God must be God. He couldn't be...
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    Jesus is not God

    Absolutely! This changes nothing however. As the begotten Son of God Jesus cannot be anything but God. Likewise, as the begotten son of frog one cannot be anything but frog. You cannot be a snake or a turtle. Or as the begotten son of dog, you cannot be anything but dog. You cannot be a cat...
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    Jesus is not God

    I see no other conclusion unless you believe scripture is not inspired of God.
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    Jesus is not God

    Absolutely! What else could one begotten of human be BUT HUMAN? Absolutely! Couldn't agree with you more. Incorrect. You would not be "a rama lama ding dong". You would be Modalist.
  18. Oeste

    Jesus is not God

    Well, we have @cataway's answer! So let's plug it in : 1. The only begotten son of frog is frog. 2. The only begotten son of dog is dog. 3. The only begotten son of man is man. 4. The only begotten son of god is god. 5. The only begotten Son of God is "the son of god". Can you explain how...
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    Jesus is not God

    I have to travel for a few days and won’t be able to get back to this thread until the weekend. However, I would like to once again run a simple “sanity” check….not for your benefit, but for mine… just to make sure we are all on the same page. Otherwise, I fear I may be in a world where hippos...
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    Jesus is not God

    The Father tells us this, and since Jesus agrees with the Father, there is no need for Christians to disagree. You can help show this on my next post. On this, @Trailblazer we definitely agree! :) Trinitarian know the Father is God and the Son is the Son of God. You are Baháʼí, and even...
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