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  1. Rational Agnostic

    how do you feel when threatened with Hell?

    As a child, I used to fear hell a lot and constantly worry I had committed the unpardonable sin. At this point in my life, I don't care--I don't know if any god exists or not and I can't pretend to be certain a god exists when I'm not. If there's a god out there who wants to send me to hell for...
  2. Rational Agnostic

    Oahspe

    I think it sounds like a huge, steaming load of horse****. What do you think of it?
  3. Rational Agnostic

    What do you get from being a believer?

    So would you purposely believe (or pretend to believe) things that you think are most likely false?
  4. Rational Agnostic

    What is God's highest priority?

    Well, let me put it this way. If God can see the future and see our choices and actions taking place, is there anything we could choose to do differently than what he already sees and knows we will do?
  5. Rational Agnostic

    What is God's highest priority?

    Knowing may not be causing, but if there is no other option for our choices other than what exists in the mind of God, then how can we be said to be free in any sense of the word? If my future actions are constrained by whatever God knows I will do and I can't act outside of that, then I am not...
  6. Rational Agnostic

    What is God's highest priority?

    Free will can't exist if God knows the future, only the illusion of it can. Think about it, if everything you will do is known with absolute, unchangeable certainty in the mind of God then in what sense could you be said to have free will? You would feel like you are making choices but in...
  7. Rational Agnostic

    What do you get from being a believer?

    Should we base our beliefs on what we get out of them or on what is true?
  8. Rational Agnostic

    What is God's highest priority?

    I don't understand what you mean by there being no higher meaning than to seek justice on behalf of God's empty promises. I can't even tell if you believe in God or not tbh, or what you are arguing with
  9. Rational Agnostic

    What is God's highest priority?

    Why did he create a Satan who he knew would interfere with those plans and bring most people to hell then?
  10. Rational Agnostic

    What is God's highest priority?

    Like I mentioned in the post you quoted, there are also many bad things that happen that have nothing to do with human behavior. An omnipotent god whose top priority is to prevent these things cannot exist by definition. So what is God's top priority?
  11. Rational Agnostic

    What is God's highest priority?

    I'm honestly not following or understanding your point.
  12. Rational Agnostic

    What is God's highest priority?

    Yes, you're right, of course they would be fulfilled--that's the point of my argument, so I'm glad you understand that part, since it seems that others have missed it. I wasn't just referring to bad things humans do to each other, but also to bad things in general that happen, such as starvation...
  13. Rational Agnostic

    What is God's highest priority?

    If God exists and knows everything I will do for the rest of my life and it is impossible for me to do anything different than what already exists in God's mind, can I really be said to have a choice? Of course not. I might have the illusion of choice, but it's just that, an illusion. By...
  14. Rational Agnostic

    What is God's highest priority?

    Lol, I think it's a good word, and I think you know what I mean and understand the point I'm making:)
  15. Rational Agnostic

    Question for Christians and those Who Believe in a Personal God

    Nice I have never actually read any Hitchens, so you might be ahead of me in terms of your study of atheist books ;)
  16. Rational Agnostic

    What is God's highest priority?

    Well, if God prioritized everything equally, then effectively he would not care about anything, yes? I don't think we'll get far in a discussion by just dismissing words as anthropomorphisms even though ALL words technically are. I'm not trying to defeat religion, I don't make the assertion that...
  17. Rational Agnostic

    What is God's highest priority?

    Then in your example, God's top priority is not having a relationship with humans, it's giving humans free will, which is a higher priority than having a relationship with humans in your example above. I should add that it's ironic that theists talk so much about free will when it's obvious...
  18. Rational Agnostic

    What is God's highest priority?

    I suppose you are technically right, it is possible that a god exists that prioritizes all possible outcomes equally, and effectively does not care at all about what happens in the universe, but this god would definitely not be the god of classical theism.
  19. Rational Agnostic

    What is God's highest priority?

    Because if he didn't implement it then there would be some reason preventing him from doing so, either 1) he is not omnipotent and therefore not God or 2) he has a higher priority conflicting with this priority, in which case it wouldn't be his top priority. For clarification, I'm defining...
  20. Rational Agnostic

    What is God's highest priority?

    I'm not following. If God is all powerful, and has not implemented his top priority, how is this not a contradiction and hence impossible?
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