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    The Didache

    Hi @Rival 1) Unfamiliarity of non-historians with early Judeo-Christian texts and terms. I think that the Judeo-Christian Didache is a good example of early literature that is much like the vast genre of early Jewish Epigraphs. For example, the almost 2000 pages of Jewish pseudoepigraphs...
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    The Didache

    Hi @paarsurrey 1) The term "Israelite Messiah" While IndigoChild5559 is "offput" by your use of the term "Israelite Messiah", I am perfectly fine with the term since the Messiah is not merely the Messiah of the "Jews" (i.e. Judah), but instead, he is the Messiah of all Israelites (and all other...
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    How does the story of Adam and Eve compatible with science?

    Hi @InvestigateTruth : Can you elucidate as to which and What part of "the story of Adam and Eve" are you referring to and which and what part of science are you referring to? Clear ειτζκω
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    Christian Belief in Satan

    Hi @David Davidovich and @Hockeycowboy While I don't want to interrupt your discussion, I just wanted to make a historical point. @David Davidovich seems to be speaking of modern rabbinic (rabbanate) Judaism as though it was the same religion as the ancient Israelite religion (the two...
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    Question about God.And him being all powerful

    Hi @Frank Goad If early Judeo-Christian textual descriptions regarding spirits before this life are correct then at some point we DID know there was a God before being born into mortality and that knowledge is left behind by entering mortality. I believe that mortality is purposefully designed...
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    ‘Jesus was WITH GOD’ therefore Jesus WAS GOD?

    Hi @Sargonski and @101G I don't really want to enter into your debate other than to make a specific and single point regarding "the Sons of God" in psalms 82 that you two are discussing. You seem to be talking apples and oranges. For example, Sargonski seems to be referring to a historical...
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    ‘Jesus was WITH GOD’ therefore Jesus WAS GOD?

    Clear asked @Soapy in post #87 : REGARDING SOAPYS CLAIM THAT GOD WAS TALKING TO SATAN IN CREATING MAN IN "THEIR" LIKENESS. You claimed that Jehovah was talking to Satan when he said "Let us create man in our image, in our likeness’. You did not answer this question in your reply in the above...
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    ‘Jesus was WITH GOD’ therefore Jesus WAS GOD?

    Clear said in post #87 : REGARDING SOAPYS CLAIM THAT GOD WAS TALKING TO SATAN IN CREATING MAN IN "THEIR" LIKENESS. You claimed that Jehovah was talking to Satan when he said "Let us create man in our image, in our likeness’. Can you refer to the scriptures you are using to develop this doctrine...
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    ‘Jesus was WITH GOD’ therefore Jesus WAS GOD?

    Hi @Soapy REGARDING SOAPYS CLAIM THAT GOD WAS TALKING TO SATAN IN CREATING MAN IN "THEIR" LIKENESS. You claimed that Jehovah was talking to Satan when he said "Let us create man in our image, in our likeness’. Can you refer to the scriptures you are using to develop this doctrine and explain...
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    ‘Jesus was WITH GOD’ therefore Jesus WAS GOD?

    REGARDING SOAPY'S CLAIM THAT IT WAS SATAN THAT WAS WITH GOD AND THAT IT WAS SATAN WHO CREATED THE BODY OF ADAM Hi @Soapy You claimed that Jehovah was talking to Satan when he said "Let us create man in our image, in our likeness’. Can you refer to the scriptures you are using to develop this...
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    Does the bible right out mention two different parts to hell?

    Hi @Frank Goad 1) Regarding trusting wannabe religious historians who do not know the difference between pseudoepigraphs and apocrypha I would also warn you against placing much trust in non historians who speak about early Judeo-Christian texts or history but do not know the difference...
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    Does the bible right out mention two different parts to hell?

    Hi @Frank Goad @Frank Goad asked : "Do you agree that the bible mentions two different parts to a literal hell?Yes or no?And why?" (Opening Post) This question you bring up is insightful and interesting. The answer may depend upon who is interpreting the biblical text and what time period we...
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    THE CREATION OF THE TRADITION OF "ORAL LAW" IN RABBINIC JUDAISM

    POST THREE OF FOUR The multiple versions of oral laws with multiple variations contradict each other in various ways. The fact that such variations existed, motivated the rabbanist denomination (Rabbinic Judaism) to come up with explanations why a “divine” document has multiple conflicting...
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    THE CREATION OF THE TRADITION OF "ORAL LAW" IN RABBINIC JUDAISM

    POST TWO OF FOUR REGARDING THE MANY, MANY, RABBINIC INNOVATIONS OF RULES AND LAWS AND DOCTRINES In fact, Rabbi Gruber indicates that there were sufficient acts of legislation by the Jewish leaders that they created expressions to describe the different types of man-made laws the Jewish leaders...
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    THE CREATION OF THE TRADITION OF "ORAL LAW" IN RABBINIC JUDAISM

    POST ONE OF FOUR 1) REGARDING ADAM HAVING BOTH MALE AND FEMALE SEX ORGAN AS A JEWISH DOCTRINE JEWS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BELIEVE IN Clear said : “While you admitted “that is not doctrine that we are required to believe in, (rosends post #67) the simple denial that the doctrine is a doctrine will...
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    THE CREATION OF THE TRADITION OF "ORAL LAW" IN RABBINIC JUDAISM

    POST TWO OF TWO 2) REGARDING ROSENDS FALSE CLAIM THAT I AM CLEARLY "ANTI-JEWISH" BECAUSE I QUESTION THE BELIEF THAT MOSES TRANSMITTED VAST AMOUNTS OF LAWS BY ORAL MEMORIZATION OVER EONS OF TIME. Rosends claimed : "Ah, again you are now generalizing as a way to delegitimize all of Judaism. You...
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    THE CREATION OF THE TRADITION OF "ORAL LAW" IN RABBINIC JUDAISM

    POST ONE OF TWO 1) REGARDING THE RABBANITE (RABBINIC JEWISH) DOCTRINE THAT ADAM WAS CREATED WITH MALE AND FEMALE SEXUAL ORGANS (divine religion versus man-made religion) Rosends clarifies : “While there is a rabbinic interpretation and there are midrashic stories about the physical...
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    THE CREATION OF THE TRADITION OF "ORAL LAW" IN RABBINIC JUDAISM

    POST TWO OF TWO 3) ISRAEL HAS A HISTORY OF BEING CHASTIZED AND PUNISHED FOR HAVING IDOLATROUS BELIEFS AND PRACTICES Clear pointed out : “This was one of the repeated complaints of the Prophets against Israel anciently. The pattern in the Old Testament was that Israel so often would adopt...
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    THE CREATION OF THE TRADITION OF "ORAL LAW" IN RABBINIC JUDAISM

    POST ONE OF TWO 1) REGARDING THE RABBANITE (RABBINIC JEWISH) DOCTRINE THAT ADAM WAS CREATED WITH MALE AND FEMALE SEXUAL ORGANS (divine religion versus man-made religion) Rosends clarifies : “While there is a rabbinic interpretation and there are midrashic stories about the physical...
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    THE CREATION OF THE TRADITION OF "ORAL LAW" IN RABBINIC JUDAISM

    POST FOUR OF FOUR 6) REGARDING HOW ROSENDS KNOWS IDEAS IN JEWISH DOCUMENTS “DOESN’T SIT WELL” WITH THE RABBINIC SCHOLARS I’VE QUOTED Clear said : “I've read the article you referred to and it is part of what piqued my interest in this specific history. Halivni, like, ito, Elman, glasner...
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