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  1. John D. Brey

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    Aspect's experiment was the first quantum mechanics experiment to demonstrate the violation of Bell's inequalities with photons using distant detectors. Its 1982 result allowed for further validation of the quantum entanglement and locality principles. It also offered an experimental answer to...
  2. John D. Brey

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    . . . My great great grandfather passed down that in a discussion with your great great grandfather, he, your great great grandfather, said: "What you're predicting about landing a man on the moon is impossible without a miracle . . . PERIOD!" John
  3. John D. Brey

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    It isn't beyond an aborigine's knowledge how you contact someone on the other side of the river: you yell at the top of your lungs. But pulling out an I-phone and contacting someone on the other side of the planet is miraculous to an aborigine. We're all aboriginal in relationship to one Jesus...
  4. John D. Brey

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    In most cases this is historically true. But the Gospels are unique. They're the proof that all the previous mythological embellishments, though merely symbolic (virgin born sons of God, etc.), have a factual/historical signified that they're sign-language attempting to predict. The Gospels are...
  5. John D. Brey

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    I may agree agree with YoursTrue on this too. It's an interesting question concerning whether miracles are "supernatural" or just natural phenomena that's beyond the ken of existing knowledge? The problem I would have with miracles being wholly supernatural, rather than simply elements of...
  6. John D. Brey

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    Your second statement seems out of kilter with your first? If you accept the possibility that spacial locality could be illusory, that space and time are, as Einstein said, " . . . modes by which we think, and not conditions in which we live," then the speed of light is an illusion related to...
  7. John D. Brey

    Popper's Third Eye.

    I was being a bit facetious. Nevertheless, having undergone a conversion experience myself, I can vouch for the fact that it's extremely dangerous since it wrecks the existing epistemology requiring what R.B. Thieme, Jr. calls "epistemological rehabilitation." It's like leveling a city and...
  8. John D. Brey

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    Have you read them as an aid to evaluating their uselessness? Or does your belief that they're useless possess some kind of quantum means to entangle them in your evaluation therein rendering them useless? . . . Are you able to turn valuable philosophical thought into useless whining in a manner...
  9. John D. Brey

    Popper's Third Eye.

    The picture of science of which I have so far only hinted may be sketched as follows. There is a reality behind the world as it appears to us, possibly a many-layered reality, of which the appearances are the outermost layers. What the great scientist does is boldly to guess, daringly to...
  10. John D. Brey

    Popper's Third Eye.

    One of the greatest minds of the last century, Sir Karl Popper, was uniquely poised to propound the logic of scientific discover on a scale still not matched to this day. He was an atheist, and or agnostic, Jewish, and the Christian Wittgenstein is known to have poked at him, constantly...
  11. John D. Brey

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    The point I'm making is that one of the commonly accepted interpretations of the fact that entangled pairs appear to transgress the limitations of the speed of light (since a change to one of the pairs affects the other instantaneously even if light years away) is that there's not really a...
  12. John D. Brey

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    The Gospel writer may have been stupid or a liar. But at least he proof read what he wrote before he hit the post reply button. :) John
  13. John D. Brey

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    One interpretation of the quantum entanglement problem is that the instantaneous nature of the relationship between entangled pairs (no matter their distance) is based on the fact that in truth there is no actual distance between the entangled pair; that space and time are ways we experience our...
  14. John D. Brey

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    I assert that something like turning water instantly to wine is a miracle or magic if we have no idea how its done. Aborigines think an I-phone is miraculous or magical because they don't have any context for how it could be made or how it functions. Similarly, we could be considered...
  15. John D. Brey

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    Because we experience our bodies as real space time entities, and because our natural means of perception takes space and time as a given, the truth of the matter shown in the Aspect experiment (there is no actual space between entangled pairs) can't be authenticated according to our carnal...
  16. John D. Brey

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    A change can be made to one of the entangle pairs that will instantaneously affect the other. That's a fact. If one of the entangle pairs is light years away a change to the one will still affect the other instantaneously. That's a fact. Using the entanglement to communicate faster than light...
  17. John D. Brey

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    I don't think anything and everything are possible. I merely believe that just as has been occurring for thousands of years, things believed to be impossible, turn out to be quite possible as knowledge and reality evolve. The Bible isn't wrong about anything. Various interpretations of the...
  18. John D. Brey

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    In the same sense you're implying water can't be turned into wine, world class scientists have stated things as absolute fact, that we now know to be false because of our knowledge of quantum physics. Jesus turned water to wine. It's possible since it's already occurred. We're just not advanced...
  19. John D. Brey

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    In experiments like the Aspect experiment, researchers can make a change to a photon that's entangled with another photon and the change they make will occur to the entangled photon instantaneously no matter how far away it is. That's faster-than-light communication since if someone light years...
  20. John D. Brey

    Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

    You're making an argument that's perfectly sound within the context you're making it. It's similar to aboriginals arguing among themselves about them white fellers claiming the I-phone was made with nothing other than what's found on planet earth. "Yit Yit. You ever in all your journeys found...
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