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  1. Rational Agnostic

    Jesus' Failed Second Coming Prophecy and What this Means for Christianity

    But Jesus said he would come back within his disciples' lifetimes. What event do you think Jesus is referring to in Matthew 10:23, Matthew 24:34, and Matthew 16:28 then? The only way that these prophecies could have come true is if stars fell from the heavens to the earth and the elect were...
  2. Rational Agnostic

    Jesus' Failed Second Coming Prophecy and What this Means for Christianity

    Maybe, but that's a different topic. I'm more interested in the accuracy of the bible and Jesus' statements than the application of it, since secular moral systems could be developed using the same teachings without making any direct claims on what is true and false.
  3. Rational Agnostic

    Jesus' Failed Second Coming Prophecy and What this Means for Christianity

    Well, I assume that Jesus' thoughts were aligned with what he said, and that he probably did not think differently than what he said. So, yes, I think Jesus thought the world was ending and that he was returning within the lifetimes' of his disciples, and I don't think he thought differently...
  4. Rational Agnostic

    Jesus' Failed Second Coming Prophecy and What this Means for Christianity

    I'm not even going to argue with this craziness because it's so far removed from reality and will be proven wrong yet again (like every other prophecy of Jesus' return) in 10 years. What I'm interested in though is how you get around the fact that Jesus predicted his own return within his...
  5. Rational Agnostic

    Jesus' Failed Second Coming Prophecy and What this Means for Christianity

    No, I definitely don't think everything recorded in the bible is a completely, word for word, exact recollection of what happened. But when it is repeated in the Bible so many times it's quite clear that the end of the world was in fact expected by Jesus' followers, as well as Jesus himself...
  6. Rational Agnostic

    Jesus' Failed Second Coming Prophecy and What this Means for Christianity

    So Armageddon already happened then? Is the planet that we are living on now a different planet in a different universe than the planet that Jesus and his disciples' lived on?
  7. Rational Agnostic

    Jesus' Failed Second Coming Prophecy and What this Means for Christianity

    So are you saying that you think Jesus will come back by 2036? Do you want to make a bet on it? I'm guessing not but if you do I'll definitely take you up on it. It's so funny to me how all these guys who predict Jesus will come back at specific times never actually bet money on it because deep...
  8. Rational Agnostic

    Jesus' Failed Second Coming Prophecy and What this Means for Christianity

    I don't know, who do you think he is? Either way it doesn't matter, because the passages predicted the Apocalypse, stating that the stars would fall to the earth, which clearly didn't happen in the first century A.D. during Jesus' disciples' lifetimes.
  9. Rational Agnostic

    Jesus' Failed Second Coming Prophecy and What this Means for Christianity

    Ah, I see. So since it's obvious that the stuff Jesus predicted in the gospels never happened, we should conclude that the gospels just didn't accurately record what Jesus said. A random book that almost no one has heard of that was apparently written in 1955 must be a much more accurate...
  10. Rational Agnostic

    Jesus' Failed Second Coming Prophecy and What this Means for Christianity

    The observation that the prophecies failed would only be premature if some of the disciples who were standing there and listening to Jesus at the time were still alive. In that case we would have to admit that the prophecy could still be fulfilled but the fact that this is not the case proves...
  11. Rational Agnostic

    Jesus' Failed Second Coming Prophecy and What this Means for Christianity

    The passages very clearly do *not* refer to Pentecost. Did Jesus ride on the clouds of heaven, rain judgment on the unbelievers and gather his elect to be caught up in the sky and live with him forever after the stars fell to the earth at Pentecost? The fact that we're here discussing this...
  12. Rational Agnostic

    Jesus' Failed Second Coming Prophecy and What this Means for Christianity

    Actually, the transfiguration only occurs after Matthew 16:28, not after the other passages. It's a huge stretch to argue that Matthew 16:28 refers to the transfiguration, especially since the preceding verse describes him "coming in his father's glory with his angels to repay everyone according...
  13. Rational Agnostic

    Jesus' Failed Second Coming Prophecy and What this Means for Christianity

    How so?
  14. Rational Agnostic

    Jesus' Failed Second Coming Prophecy and What this Means for Christianity

    At least people can be made aware that these failed prophecies exist. It seems that most Christians don't actually know that these verses are in the bible. I was raised an evangelical Christian and was not even aware of these failed prophecies until I was 18. Most churches would never read these...
  15. Rational Agnostic

    Jesus' Failed Second Coming Prophecy and What this Means for Christianity

    At least we're able to read the Bible now and learn and discover for ourselves that the prophecy failed.
  16. Rational Agnostic

    Jesus' Failed Second Coming Prophecy and What this Means for Christianity

    Many of them probably knew this but benefited from their positions of being clergy or theologians and so decided to not reveal it or be honest about it. Others may have either not studied it enough, or not been honest enough with themselves to admit it, since they still wanted to believe that...
  17. Rational Agnostic

    Jesus' Failed Second Coming Prophecy and What this Means for Christianity

    The central doctrine of Christianity states that Jesus will return in his Father's glory with his angels to judge the living and the dead, gathering up his elect to take them to spend an eternity in heaven with him, while casting the unbelievers into eternal hellfire. However, what many...
  18. Rational Agnostic

    Biden calls for 3 month OUTDOOR national mask mandate

    And how does it make you feel to know that I don't care and will never care about what you're accusing me of? Mods, feel free to delete my account. I'm done with Internet forums. I've wasted way too much of my life debating morons on the Internet who strawman me and I'm not going to waste any...
  19. Rational Agnostic

    Biden calls for 3 month OUTDOOR national mask mandate

    As I said before, I'm pro-mask. My state has a mask law that I support 100%. It states that masks are required in indoor public spaces. I think that's a fair rule. But never allowing a person to breathe fresh air by an executive order? That's just plain wrong. Also, to reiterate, why do you...
  20. Rational Agnostic

    Biden calls for 3 month OUTDOOR national mask mandate

    LOL, Way to go with the strawman! Thought you were better than that, Shadow Wolf.
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