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    The Protestant Bible is flawed

    Hi @CrochetOverCoffee @CrochetOverCoffee said "As for the books commonly called the Apocrypha, those who organized the books of the Bible into a single volume had certain criteria for including the ones they did, and excluding those they did not. Among these were contradictions of plain...
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    Genesis 1:26 and the Trinity

    REGARDING WHO GOD THE FATHER WAS SPEAKING TO IN GENESIS 1:26 "LET US CREATE MANKIND IN OUR IMAGE..." Xavier Graham SA, in the OP said : "I was taught in church that the “us” was proof of the Trinity. Those who don’t believe in the Trinity, who are the “us” in this verse? I’m curious (opening...
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    What is the third heaven?

    Hi @RabbiO Actually my response was meant to answer a question that has been unanswered for 16 years. While there are many posts that are recent, I thought the question itself was important enough to deserve a response for other readers who are still active and interested in an answer. This...
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    What is the third heaven?

    ThisShouldMakeSense asked in the O.P. “ In 2 Corinthians 12:2, Pauls speaks of the third heaven. does anyone know what he's talking about?” Hi @ThisShouldMakeSense 1) REGARDING THE "THIRD HEAVEN" REFERRED TO BY PAUL IN 2ND CORINTHIANS 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago...
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    Thomas did not receive the Holy Spirit

    Terrywoodenpic said : "Where was the Holy Spirit before Pentecost? I would suggest that like, God, the Holy Spirit has always been with us and Guiding and comforting us. However Pentecost was the moment when everyone became aware of his presence in our lives. and the power of God working...
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    Judaism vs Christianity: Second Coming of Messiah

    Rosends said : "I'm saying that you are in no position to judge the accuracy of any translation if you can't read the original." Clear responded : The problem of original texts and later religions assuming they are the same as the early religions called by a similar name One of the problems...
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    KenS. I honestly think your specific thoughts on these Jewish-Christian issues are quite...

    KenS. I honestly think your specific thoughts on these Jewish-Christian issues are quite logical and worthy of consideration and recognition.
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    Judaism vs Christianity: Second Coming of Messiah

    Rosends said : "Judaism is consistent and informed by context and language. Non Jewish interpretations seem to be selective and inconsistent." This is a silly and strange comment to make. Anyone who has read the bizarre interpretations and reasons for interpretations of the talmud and other...
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    Judaism vs Christianity: Second Coming of Messiah

    Clear said : Rosends said : "I'm saying that you are in no position to judge the accuracy of any translation if you can't read the original." Hi @rosends AND @Brian2 The problem of original texts and later religions assuming they are the same as the early religions called by a similar name...
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    Judaism vs Christianity: Second Coming of Messiah

    Rosends said : "I'm saying that you are in no position to judge the accuracy of any translation if you can't read the original." Hi @rosends AND @Brian2 The problem of original texts and later religions assuming they are the same as the early religions called by a similar name One of the...
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    The Protestant Bible is flawed

    @Wandering Monk said : "Whenever the questions about the Bible come up, I have to ask: which Bible are you referring to? Most Christians are unaware that there have been different canons (collections of books) in Christian Bibles over the centuries. Eastern churches did not include five NT books...
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    The Protestant Bible is flawed

    I think that @Wandering Monk is making a valid point. The Masoretes leave us multiple lists of problems with the Jewish bible they created (as well as in the source texts they used) and we have no other ancient sacred texts (Old or new testament) of any significant size that have no flaws...
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    The Protestant Bible is flawed

    POST TWO OF TWO Though “Christian enoch” (i.e. the Greek Enoch) was important, the discovery of Enoch among the dead sea scrolls in such great numbers is the discovery showing Hebrew Enoch was first. In 1956, Father J.T. Milik announced eight different enoch fragments among the dead sea texts...
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    The Protestant Bible is flawed

    POST ONE OF TWO Regarding the illogic summation regarding the import and useage of pseudoepigraphic literature in ancient Judeo-Christianity Hi @IndigoChild5559 ; Indigochild5559 said : “You are basing this on the fact that Jude quotes from Enoch?” (post #22) Of course not. Your concluding...
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    The Protestant Bible is flawed

    POST TWO OF TWO The historical world of religion is changing significantly because of the vast early religious texts. For example, Solomon Zeitlin contended many years ago, that much of the pseudepigrapha were written “in opposition to normative Judaism. Normative Judaism regarded the...
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    The Protestant Bible is flawed

    Hi @Xavier Graham SA I do not think you are alone in your ponderings about scriptures and literality and what form they may have taken historically as opposed to the later versions. Specifically : Regarding your observation that Enoch was quoted as scripture by the writer of Jude : I notice...
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    Your suggestion that we should examine and search out principles for value and truth regardless...

    Your suggestion that we should examine and search out principles for value and truth regardless of their origin is profound and wonderful. I also like your opinion that if we provide the faith to ask and the patience to wait, the spirit is willing to make manifest the truth of truly important...
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    Do you believe your sacred text contains errors?

    Hi @Spiderman Your initial O.P. observation that christians you've met did not feel there were errors in their texts surprises me a bit. Historians of the early texts have long dealt with textual errors in all known early Old and New Testament texts of any significant size. While this...
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    Questions about the Greek of the New Testament

    Readers : The problem with simply making up new, arbitrary definitions for words (like "speculation") One problem with leaving logic and rational thought and the sense of what the words mean to common people (i.e. "common sense") and accepted dictionary definitions is partly that our very...
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    Questions about the Greek of the New Testament

    Hi Subduction zone No, if you cannot read letters in blue and red, I cannot help you. I am quiting work now and going home. Can you be so kind as to carry on the debate regarding your claim about the word "speculate" without me? Thank you so much. Clear
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