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    Questions about the Greek of the New Testament

    1) REGARDING THE USE OF THE WORD SPECULATE Clear said : "To speculate is to "form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence". When you form an opinion with little firm "evidence" this is speculation and it is not a moral accusation Subduction Zone replied : "And then that...
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    Questions about the Greek of the New Testament

    1) REGARDING THE USE OF THE WORD SPECULATE Clear said : "To speculate is to "form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence". When you form an opinion with little firm "evidence" this is speculation and it is not a moral accusation Subduction Zone replied : "And then that...
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    Questions about the Greek of the New Testament

    Subduction zone said : "Evidence" is the best word to use. I think that you do not like that word because scholars have to base their conclusions on clear evidence and you do not appear to like the conclusion. If you like the word "evidence" then use it. In this context I can certainly use the...
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    Questions about the Greek of the New Testament

    Hi @Subduction Zone Subduction Zone said : "Like many you make the mistake of misusing the word "prove". That is not what is done in arguments since a literal "proof" is all but impossible Ah, I see. If you do not like the word "prove", I am certainly amenable to using a different word such...
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    Questions about the Greek of the New Testament

    Hi @Subduction Zone Subduction Zone said : "Using a strawman argument is also attempting to change the argument of another. That is what you did." If this statement of yours is true, then claiming a strawman argument is being used when it is not being used is also a strawman argument. Perhaps...
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    Questions about the Greek of the New Testament

    Hi @Subduction Zone The meaning of straw man is a weak or imaginary opposition (such as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted. Why are you claiming that an opinion that no one can prove a specific historical point without sufficient specific and verifiable historical...
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    Questions about the Greek of the New Testament

    Hi @Subduction Zone Subduction zone : "One should be able to come to at least a reasonable conclusion as to who some of the authors were. Especially when one finds out how the books got their names." Good luck with that. I do not think one can conclusively prove who wrote any of the earliest...
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    Questions about the Greek of the New Testament

    Subduction zone said : "Knowing the early history o f the Bible should help you in what people believed." Hi @Subduction Zone I agree in small degree with you on this specific point. I simply disagree that one can know who the author of a specific text was and one cannot know specifically...
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    Questions about the Greek of the New Testament

    @Subduction Zone said : “You should try to look into why modern scholars put the dates that they do on the various gospels. Luke is the only one that may have been written by the person traditionally said to have written it. But of course Luke was not an eyewitness and he does not even claim to...
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    Questions about the Greek of the New Testament

    @Subduction Zone said : “The earliest is fifty years after Mark was written, assuming a 65 CE dating for it. At that point it is merely a weak unsubstantiated belief. It is why modern scholars do not think that the names on the Gospels reflect authorship at all. They were all written by people...
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    Does a belief in a god show lack of education?

    Clear said : Can you demonstrate that you, as an judge are objective regarding recognizing objective evidence regarding diety? As you've already admitted, it's difficult for you to understand the simple tautology that real events are real whether they are proven or not. Once an atheist has...
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    Does a belief in a god show lack of education?

    Hi @Sheldon Clear said : “I maintain that a real event is real independent of proof and that the fact that an event occurred itself IS proof it occurred. Hence my example that if a tree falls in the forest then it fell whether or not someone can prove it feel. The fallen tree is proof that the...
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    Does a belief in a god show lack of education?

    Clear said to KWED: “You are again conflating a thing that happened with trying to prove a thing happened. If it happened, it happened. It needs no verification by anyone.” Sheldon said : “Sorry maybe I'm misunderstanding but you keep referring to evidence, then keep asserting bare claims don't...
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    Does a belief in a god show lack of education?

    Hi @Heyo Heyo said : “I've fooled myself again by not listening to my own advice.” Ok. I do agree that "metaphysical" conversations are difficult and complicated in ways simple physical conversations may not be. Good luck Heyo. Clear said : “Knowledge recieved from an external source is...
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    Does a belief in a god show lack of education?

    Hi @Heyo Heyo asked : "Would you say I have received knowledge from an external source?" I have not made any guess whether you figured this out on your own or had an external source of information for your guess. Heyo asked : "If I had (or would now) claim(ed) that my numbers were revelation...
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    Does a belief in a god show lack of education?

    Clear said : “Knowledge recieved from an external source is evidence of an external source” KWED responded : “Only if that external source has been verified. “ Of course this is incorrect., An external source need not be verified to be evidence. If I, as an external source of knowledge tell my...
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    Does a belief in a god show lack of education?

    POST TWO OF TWO Instead there are many other factors that are involved such as the unreasonableness of throwing away multiple valuable items but keeping an old steering wheel and the unexplainable urge to take the key of a stolen car to work with you and the timing of doing it on the very day...
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    Does a belief in a god show lack of education?

    POST ONE OF TWO @BilliardsBall said : “Consider that most people still think God speaks to them.” @KWED said : "I don't know a single person who hears voices and thinks it is god.” Clear responded : “I think this discrepancy is due, to a large part, the context of the posters. One is a...
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    Does a belief in a god show lack of education?

    REGARDING THE CONCEPT THAT AUTHENTIC REVELATION IS ONE MAIN CHARACTERISTIC OF AUTHENTIC RELIGION AND THE STRONGEST PERSONAL EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD Dan from Smithville said : "The problem is that no one can demonstrate and show the difference between direct experience arising from...
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    Does a belief in a god show lack of education?

    1) REGARDING AUTHENTIC REVELATION INSIDE AUTHENTIC RELIGION @BilliardsBall said : “Consider that most people still think God speaks to them.” @KWED said : "I don't know a single person who hears voices and thinks it is god.” I think this discrepancy is due, to a large part, the context of the...
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