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    John 14:6

    POST ONE OF TWO Hi @Dogknox20 1) WHAT MAKES ONE OPINION MORE CREDIBLE AND LOGICAL AND HISTORICALLY COHERENT THAN ANOTHER OPINION dogknox20 said : “Clear every thing you write is OPINION!” (post #259) Clearly, much of what all individuals write is opinion and of varying credibility. What...
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    John 14:6

    Hi @Dogknox20 When I offer historical claims based on historical data, your resposes have been to simply repeat dogma. This is not helpful since historical claims cannot be supported simply by offering dogmatic claims. THE PROBLEM WITH REMAINING IN THE DOGMATIC WORLD RATHER THAN ENTERING THE...
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    John 14:6

    .Hi @Dogknox20 Dogknox20 said : "Clear you seem to think Bishops should not have authority! This is an entirely irrational conclusion and a misrepresentation of my posts. Of course the original apostles and bishops possessed ecclesiastical authority from God. The Bishops of 400 a.d. in the...
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    John 14:6

    Hi @pearl Pearl said : If Abraham did not speak Hebrew probably another Semitic language I agree this is a possibility. Although Masoretic Hebrew did not exist at the time of Abraham, there were multiple other languages, some of the Semitic family of languages and Abraham may have spoken one of...
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    John 14:6

    Hi @idea 1) THE CONCEPT OF THE MORAL INTELLIGENCE CHARACTERIZED BY SERVICE AND SELFLESSNESS TRUMPING FACTUAL KNOWLEDGE While I cannot know the real reason you left communion with a congregation, I do think you are perfectly correct that authentic religion is inseparably connected with our...
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    John 14:6

    POST TWO OF TWO THE POLITICAL OFFICE STARTED “DOING WHAT POLITICIANS DID” – THEY SOUGHT FOR POWER The irony is that when one looks, historically, at how a group gains power and influence anciently, the history of how they reached the current civil state of affairs is not always civil. After...
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    John 14:6

    POST ONE OF TWO Hi @Dogknox20 and @idea and @pearl and others. Dogknox20, While you seem to be aware of the party line and dogmatic talk of the Roman Bishopric, perhaps you might want to at least introduce yourself to a bit of the world of the historian regarding the type of bishopric created...
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    John 14:6

    Hi Katzpur. I like your new avatar. It looks like a movie Star. I do think it is a self-delusion for religionists to pick up misrepresentations and present them as fact, especially in the face of actual experts that are willing to educate regarding those misrepresentations. I have often...
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    John 14:6

    POST TWO OF TWO ORIGINALLY BISHOPS WERE NOT THE SAME AS APOSTLES When the early dogmatists were supplanted by later historians who viewed the problem of the organization of the early church, it became apparent, says Linton, “that the episcopate is not a continuation of the apostolate,” (Lake...
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    John 14:6

    POST ONE OF TWO Dogknox20 claimed : "There were many bishops with authority to make decisions within the ONLY Church Jesus established! You have posted many proofs of all the Catholic Bishops over the centuries! There is ONLY One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church! These Bishops did not appear out...
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    John 14:6

    Hi @adrian009 1) MULTIPLE SOURCES OF TRUTHS AND MULTIPLE LANGUAGES TRUTHS MAY BE TAUGHT IN The concept that the gospel (whatever that is) is to be preached in all nations and in their own tongue, in my mind is not a narrow and provincial principle. To me, this specific principle means that...
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    John 14:6

    Dogknox claimed : "The Holy Catholic Church established by Jesus has an unbroken linage back to Peter the FIRST Chief Shepherd!" This is simply an attempt to brag. The problem is that is in incorrect historically. 1) Historically, the Apostle Peter was never a sitting Bishop of Rome. This...
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    John 14:6

    POST TWO OF TWO Toledo a.d. 638 Canon 3 Thank God for the edict of King Chintila banishing all Jews from Spain, with the order that “only Catholics may live in the land…Resolved that any future king before mounting the throne should swear an oath not to tolerate the Jewish Unglauben...
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    John 14:6

    POST ONE OF TWO Hi @Dogknox20 1) REGARDING THE CLAIM THAT ONCE THE APOSTLES DIED, THERE WERE NO MORE APOSTLES TO ORDAIN MORE BISHOPS Dogknox said : “… Ignatius was ordained by Paul, and then, at the end of the reign of Evodius, he was appointed bishop of Antioch by Peter (post #206) Clear...
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    Where Did these Beliefs Come From?

    Hi @Deeje I agree with your base point that images and symbols are not to be, themselves, worshipped. However, not all symbols involve worship of false Gods. For example, the ancient old testament symbolism of sacrifice of animals did not symbolize the worship of false Gods. A picture of...
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    Where Did these Beliefs Come From?

    Hi @IndigoChild5559 and @pearl REGARDING ORIGINAL LANGUAGES AND TRADITIONS FROM THE EARLIEST AGES OF THE EARTH IndigoChild5559 claimed : The original language of the Tanakh is Hebrew, without question. To say anything else is just absurd. (post #90) Clear replied : “It is even MORE absurd...
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    John 14:6

    POST TWO OF TWO Sardika a.d. 347 Canon 1 No bishop ever moves from a larger to a smaller city but only in the other direction (the size of the city increasingly become the measure of ambition and domination). Canon 2 If it can be proven that a man has bribed parties to stir up a clamor for him...
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    John 14:6

    POST ONE OF TWO Hi @Dogknox20 Let me agree with you as far as I am able regarding the principle of authority you brought up. 1) ECCLESIATICAL AUTHORITY IN THE ORIGINAL CHURCH / EKLESSIA OF CHRIST Dogknox said : “… Ignatius was ordained by Paul, and then, at the end of the reign of...
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    John 14:6

    1) CONCERNING THE HARM IN MISREPRESENTATION AND THE PROBLEM WITH STRAWMEN Dogknox20 said : “I reply: So with your line of reasoning "Ignorance is bless" (post #206) Of course this is not my "line of reasoning". To pretend that was an honest conclusion is simply another example of...
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    Where Did these Beliefs Come From?

    Hi @IndigoChild5559 and @pearl IndigoChild5559 claimed : The original language of the Tanakh is Hebrew, without question. To say anything else is just absurd. (post #90) It is even MORE absurd to claim that the bible was written in a language that did not exist at the time the stories...
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