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  1. Brian2

    In Genesis the plants were created before the sun moon and stars

    I was just giving a couple of citations, as @Subduction Zone requested in answer to what I said in post #199 As far as I know science tells us of clouds and that agrees with Job 38:9 which tells us also of clouds. And lo and behold, science does tell us of the possible need for clouds and the...
  2. Brian2

    What Trinitarian churches teach about the Trinity

    Those 2 times that "other" are used in what you quoted, "other" is not in the original text in those places. The Watchtower used to put "other" in brackets in those places so that everyone would know that those words are not in the original text, now they have removed the brackets and pretend...
  3. Brian2

    What Trinitarian churches teach about the Trinity

    So you do claim that the trinity teaches "implicitly" that the Son is the Father. We have been talking about the Son and Father only usually. I don't think you should use that to claim that I am a Binitarian and not a Trinitarian. I claim that Jesus is the Son of God and also that Jesus is...
  4. Brian2

    What Trinitarian churches teach about the Trinity

    I have seen him say that, but of course it may have been something about me and how I was trying to explain the trinity.
  5. Brian2

    What Trinitarian churches teach about the Trinity

    That's a good question, why? Dealing with the first part first, trinitarians don't fully understand so why must you? Ask people to explain the atonement and we see a similar thing. As to why are people labeled as heretic, I have wondered the same myself. I have even seen it said that the deity...
  6. Brian2

    In Genesis the plants were created before the sun moon and stars

    Genesis 1 tells us that Adam and Eve were created on day 6. Genesis 2 imo is not a separate creation story but is the same creation story as Genesis 1 and concentrates on man and when God formed man. It can be read as saying that God began to form man from the dirt by evolution and started when...
  7. Brian2

    In Genesis the plants were created before the sun moon and stars

    Here's one that you will love. https://reasons.org/explore/blogs/todays-new-reason-to-believe/hazy-early-earth-more-affirmation-of-creation-day-4 Here is another that ends up as science does, with a not certain conclusion because some scientists disagree...
  8. Brian2

    In Genesis the plants were created before the sun moon and stars

    I have re-read Genesis 2 and decided it was probably on day 6 that God planted out Eden, same day that Adam was created.
  9. Brian2

    In Genesis the plants were created before the sun moon and stars

    Genesis 2 tells us that the Garden of Eden was planted, not that the plants in it were created then. The way I read Genesis 2 that could have been on day 3.
  10. Brian2

    In Genesis the plants were created before the sun moon and stars

    As far as I know science tells us of clouds and that agrees with Job 38:9 which tells us also of clouds.
  11. Brian2

    In Genesis the plants were created before the sun moon and stars

    I think I have lost track of what you are saying.
  12. Brian2

    In Genesis the plants were created before the sun moon and stars

    I did not say anything different. First the heavens and earth were created. I imagine the sun shining on the early earth and then came the water and clouds that surrounded the earth and made it dark on the surface so that the light from the ignited sun could not get through. Gen 1 tells us of...
  13. Brian2

    What Trinitarian churches teach about the Trinity

    You don't claim that the Father is the Son or vice versa, but you do seem to claim that this is what the trinity teaches.
  14. Brian2

    What Trinitarian churches teach about the Trinity

    Yes it is easy to see the distinctness of the persons of the trinity but the oneness is less easy to see and especially the distinctness and oneness at the same time. But people aren't told in the Bible that they must be able to understand it. When I look up synonyms for "distinct" I find...
  15. Brian2

    What Trinitarian churches teach about the Trinity

    I have found that those who are against the Trinity always seem to believe that Trinitarians teach that the Father is the Son. That seems to be how they want to understand the Trinity. That seems to be Modalism.
  16. Brian2

    In Genesis the plants were created before the sun moon and stars

    If one believes the truth of the creation story and is trying to reconcile it with what science thinks happened, it is good to see the Genesis account as a short and concise story that has everything in it that needs to be there for all people from all times in history to be able to understand...
  17. Brian2

    In Genesis the plants were created before the sun moon and stars

    There are theories about when and how the oceans formed and I don't think it is known when or how even though there is mention of it in the Bible. However before the oceans were formed there was light reaching the earth as it was the clouds that followed the water cover which caused the...
  18. Brian2

    What Trinitarian churches teach about the Trinity

    Yes same God but with more revelation about the nature of God.
  19. Brian2

    Vatican Blasts Trans Surgery, Surogacy, Etc

    It's a supply and demand thing. More demand for hormones and surgery and so there are always going to be those who take advantage without proper care for the total wellbeing of the patient. Allowing this to happen without proper regulations is anti trans.
  20. Brian2

    Vatican Blasts Trans Surgery, Surogacy, Etc

    Yes no doubt many people are proud and bigoted................ and some are Christians.
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