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    Atheists: does God exist?

    I mean to say that knowledge often accumulates by degrees. An incomplete knowledge is not zero knowledge. That is reasonable. But I don't think it's reasonable to infer from the statement "I know..." that the person is saying he's omniscient. I agree. I don't claim to "know" what I...
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    Understanding the holy scriptures is impossible unless God gives you the interpretation

    That is fine. I don't think that conforms to many realities. It is a regular occurrence that people respond in unexpected ways to situations or stimuli that are not known or seen by others, who may judge the former to be acting irrationally. Once the latter become aware of the situation or...
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    Atheists: does God exist?

    I am aware of the drift that has affected the word. Clearly I am offering the discussion on the word itself, which very effectively gives expression to what "religion" actually is—regular appeal to a moral system or standard. How is that not relevant? My little sister's middle name is "Gay."...
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    Atheists: does God exist?

    You changed the definition I provided and then disagreed with your new definition. I quote: "The word itself points to the state of having gone back and read something that one had read before (re- lig -ion), and the word was first used relative to a person's worldview and/or moral...
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    Atheists: does God exist?

    Because claims attributed to God were made, conditions for testing the claims were provided; I tested the claims using the conditions provided, the claims were verified, and man is incapable of fulfilling the claims. Based on my experience it would be illogical for me to conclude that the...
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    Atheists: does God exist?

    I can't see that anyone was doing any gaslighting. He made an assertion that didn't affect anyone but himself, and you said you didn't believe him, following that up with the reasons why you didn't believe him. I'm sorry, but it is not as simple as you make it sound. If that means we have no...
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    Atheists: does God exist?

    No, it's not. It is a response to a question directly asked of me.
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    Atheists: does God exist?

    The existence of God implies nothing. It predicts nothing. How would you or I know the difference unless God, himself, were to explain his objectives and methods? Not even us humans act so; why should we expect God to? For example, if I want you to be able to identify me, unless you and I...
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    Atheists: does God exist?

    Yes. That has been a natural part of learning for me. I agree that our understanding changes, and ought to. I disagree that one has to be omniscient to know something, or to know something substantive, or to know enough to make good judgments, etc. I present that disagreement because I...
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    Atheists: does God exist?

    When considering the experiences of others that one did not witness, this seems like a good approach. Even that seems presumptuous without first getting detail, but better than contradicting a person in complete ignorance. It could also be an animal. A person who isn't/wasn't there is the...
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    Atheists: does God exist?

    It doesn't have to be an atheist, but anytime a person tells me, without informed qualification of any kind, that I don't know what I claim to know, that I haven't experienced what I claim to have experienced, that what I know is irrational, that I can't rationally believe or know what I'm...
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    Atheists believe in miracles more than believers

    The summary from the first article: "We argue that the total number of distinguishable locally Friedmann universes generated by eternal inflation is proportional to the exponent of the entropy of inflationary perturbations and is limited by e^{e^{3 N}}, where N is the number of e-folds of...
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    Atheists: does God exist?

    Beyond communicating with words, how do I "offer" my knowledge of God to another person? The things God promised to me came to pass in reality. The concept of God was introduced to me by my parents. The experiences I have had with God are my own. Perhaps not to you, but you are not the only...
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    Atheists: does God exist?

    I agree that we are ignorant of many things. I don't agree that no one has knowledge. It is self-evident that we each have knowledge. I'm not sure how you equate possessing any knowledge at all with omniscience, which is to know all. But if that is your understanding, I can see why you would...
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    Atheists: does God exist?

    I don't know what this has to do with my statement that you quoted: "Then my claims of knowledge are being prejudiced here. Which, of necessity, means that those who are prejudicing my claims are doing so in ignorance—and remaining in ignorance." Could you shed light on what you intended to...
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    Atheists believe in miracles more than believers

    It requires just as much belief to embrace the dogma of cosmology as it does to embrace the dogma of a creator, generally speaking. Speaking from within the two frameworks, not from without. I don't understand the passion with which these are made to be in opposition to one another. I really...
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    Atheists: does God exist?

    Also possible. I painted with a broad brush; correction received. I don't doubt it. This has application to anyone who believes anything with which he has no direct experience. To the gaslighting point, gaslighting is often far less subtle. Abusers gaslight their victims with simple...
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    Why ‘us vs them’?

    Perhaps in defense, yes. I admit, there can't be any absolutes here, but I'm guessing that a person who resorts to waving a gun over a disagreement or argument has given forethought to responding to confrontational situations with preemptive violence, or threats of violence, rather than...
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    Atheists: does God exist?

    Then my claims of knowledge are being prejudiced here. Which, of necessity, means that those who are prejudicing my claims are doing so in ignorance—and remaining in ignorance. I don't necessarily disagree, but I would amend that statement because it is possible to have a meaningful...
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    Atheists: does God exist?

    The knowledge you referred to: I can only speak for myself. God has manifest himself to me on many occasions and in several ways; that's how I know. The statement was overly broad. It was too sweeping. What I had most in mind when I wrote that was the gall of expressing to a person claiming...
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