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  1. JustWondering

    Goat herders, Scripture, and why Scripture (and the Koran) are toxic, irrational, and dangerous!

    If a god exists and wants me to believe in and obey it, I'm here. Nothing as far as I'm aware is keeping it from reaching out to me. In the meantime, I haven't seen anything to convince me that ANY religion I know of is a reality. I'm not obligated to believe in or even respect ANY religion. As...
  2. JustWondering

    How Many People Here Are Religious, And How Many Not?

    I post in the debate forums because I like to debate. As far as I'm aware atheists are welcome to post in these forums. I really don't understand why religious folk get mad when an atheist debates them in the DEBATE forum. Posts in this thread from certain individuals shows they have a general...
  3. JustWondering

    The Myth of Adam and Eve

    Lol, isn't the existence of an all powerful god just another unproven theory of men who know very little? So I guess no one is rational, which adds up.
  4. JustWondering

    Is there an afterlife?

    I see it as later religions building off an earlier one. Like I said, what is there to discuss? You believe and I don't. What spiritual qualities? Assuming a god can do anything and it knows what it wants, if I were a god I'd just create things (including people) the way I wanted them to be...
  5. JustWondering

    Is there an afterlife?

    See, that wasn't so hard now was it. However, my main point was how the OT views souls as living things, and the NT views the soul as a separate thing from the body that survives after death. Guess I should have been more clear on that.
  6. JustWondering

    Is there an afterlife?

    I made a reference to how souls seem to be important in the NT and are not mentioned at all in the OT. Since there is no way to verify any claims about an afterlife what is there to discuss? You believe in certain claims about the afterlife and I doubt there is an afterlife at all? An...
  7. JustWondering

    Is there an afterlife?

    Again, give me some examples of souls being mentioned in the OT. I made the claim that souls aren't mentioned, I'm not going to page through the whole of the OT just because you disagree with me. Besides, it should be easy for you to reference 2 or three verses right? Of course, I'm making the...
  8. JustWondering

    Do the Gods Probably Exist or Probably Not Exist?

    I need to know what your definition of gods is first? Do you have specific gods in mind or entities that have certain attributes?
  9. JustWondering

    Is there an afterlife?

    YOU made the claim that souls are spoken of throughout the bible, please back that up. Secondly, I think that if the bible were truly inspired by a universe creating entity, it would be less prone to misinterpretation. We wouldn't have hundreds of sects with conflicting beliefs/messages. Sorry...
  10. JustWondering

    Is there an afterlife?

    Some speak of suffering in hell because they can pull verses from the bible to back it up. Such a claim is hardly unbelievable when taking gods temperament and previous actions into consideration. The biblical god is all about punishment.
  11. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    Of course not. Which is why I said that the most honest claim a person can make about the beginnings of the universe or anything else they can't know, is "I don't know".
  12. JustWondering

    Is there an afterlife?

    Claims that cannot be verified are meaningless to discuss (such as claims about a possible afterlife). As for believers being able to get close to god, why should it matter what they believed in life? Especially when there is no clear or convincing reasons to be a believer in the first place?
  13. JustWondering

    Is there an afterlife?

    Please provide references to an immortal soul that can be found in the OT.
  14. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    It does not give an exact time frame but it puts the age of the earth and stars in the ballpark of 6300 years old if I remember correctly. The only way you could consider the evidence for evolution bad is if you don't understand what the evidence is, or what evolution is. Sure, a global...
  15. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    Holy wall of text Batman! So basically your argument boils down to things need to come from somewhere, therefore, god? Why is a natural unintelligent cause so difficult for you to fathom that you dismiss it out of hand? I've never seen a god, let alone seen a god do anything, such as create a...
  16. JustWondering

    Is there an afterlife?

    Seems rather convoluted, the OT makes no mention of souls, and the lake of fire was supposed to destroy hell itself, somehow. So, due to the bibles lack of clarity on any number of topics we are left with hundreds of different Christian sects that believe conflicting things, based off the same...
  17. JustWondering

    Bible claims/interpretations that don't make sense

    I've seen this brought up by others and read things in articles online before. Made sense to me. Ancient people didn't know about bacteria, disease and parasites like we do today. Why did the Old Testament Law command against the eating of pork? Last paragraph in the article...
  18. JustWondering

    Bible claims/interpretations that don't make sense

    Adam was created on the sixth day along with ALL other land based life (like dinosaurs), the bible also says that Adam lived for 130 years before he had his first son, which happened after he was kicked out of the garden. I suppose you could say man was created last and millions of years passed...
  19. JustWondering

    Bible claims/interpretations that don't make sense

    Yes, but more people would get sick from pork and shellfish back then, then from eating other livestock. So "God" made rules against eating it. Also, I read somewhere a while back that there may have been economic reasons for why the Jewish god thought pork and shellfish were "unclean".
  20. JustWondering

    Is there an afterlife?

    The sad truth is that your bible is open to interpretation and many people interpret it to mean hell is a real place where people are tortured. I had a flyer left in my windshield wiper some months back that had a short cartoon of a man who died and went to hell for not being a believer. Trying...
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