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  1. JustWondering

    Bible claims/interpretations that don't make sense

    I am not mistaken. They were JW's (they pushed watch towers on me all the time) and they made the claim (on multiple occasions) that wine wasn't alcoholic back in the day. Ok, what does any of that have to do with celebrating someone's birthday, or mothers day, or May the 4th?
  2. JustWondering

    Bible claims/interpretations that don't make sense

    I've seen it before. Blood transfusions have saved thousands upon thousands of lives. Pointing out that the practice has its risks doesn't invalidate it as a legitimate, life saving medical procedure. Every medical procedure has risks.
  3. JustWondering

    Bible claims/interpretations that don't make sense

    So around 2300 BC, according to the bible, the world flooded (Which couldn't happen because there is not enough water on earth for that to happen). Only those on one boat survived to repopulate the earth (which is very unlikely because humans and all land based life would be horribly inbred)...
  4. JustWondering

    Bible claims/interpretations that don't make sense

    I'm just imagining an illustrated bible book that doesn't hide the crazy stuff in the bible. I think people's heads would explode.
  5. JustWondering

    Is there an afterlife?

    Jesus knew his teachings would divide people against each other and said as much. After looking into it, Paul is the one teaching to avoid and reject those that aren't good Christians. So Jesus didn't exactly teach such a thing but Paul did and it's in the good book. So what now? Follow Jesus's...
  6. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    At this point it sounds like you have your own religion and need to describe in detail the attributes of your god. If we are to have any meaningful discussion anyway. What is this natural process? Can it be observed, verified in some way? I need more information.
  7. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    There's nothing keeping scholars and well informed people from the debate forums here.
  8. JustWondering

    Bible claims/interpretations that don't make sense

    As I said in the OP, I got this directly from my JW friends. If they got it wrong, or were taught wrong *shrugs*.
  9. JustWondering

    Bible claims/interpretations that don't make sense

    My friends must have belonged to a weird/strict branch of JW's or something then. For celebrating, you're right for the most part. However, I don't see why it would be wrong to celebrate someone's birthday. First off, your not bronze age Jews. I had a Jewish friend and I'm pretty sure he...
  10. JustWondering

    Bible claims/interpretations that don't make sense

    As I said, the concept of blood transfusions didn't exist back then when the verses were written. The main reason for not consuming blood was because it could make you sick and that some pagan rituals involved the consumption of blood. I have to question the benevolence of a god that would...
  11. JustWondering

    Bible claims/interpretations that don't make sense

    During the time that the flood happened according to the bible itself, multiple civilizations were prospering, Egypt and China to name two. Civilizations existing at that time made no records of a great flood when the bible claimed it occurred. Secondly. if the great flood happened as the bible...
  12. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    Yes, why would I think otherwise? It makes perfect sense if you haven't bought into the religion. I am an atheist, remember? It could be C, he is not a messenger of god but thought he was, there's been plenty of people like that, one is on the forums. If I don't believe the previous...
  13. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    But the bible itself doesn't support that your god is omnipotent, so where are you getting this from?
  14. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    I'm not even disputing that. Why do you assume that wherever he is, doesn't have laws he's bound by?
  15. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    Interesting way to interpret that, but don't you think that reinterpreting other people's religions to turn them into stepping stones for yours isn't a little disrespectful let alone suspect? How hard is it to take material that already exists and work out ways to fit it into a new system of...
  16. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    Bible claims/interpretations that don't make sense
  17. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    Another assumption, how do you derive that your god exists outside a universe/space with laws?
  18. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    Fair enough. That is the problem with acting on assumptions. I made assumptions about your motives based on some of your recent posts, which are very adversarial. Just keep in mind that if a topic is off limits for you than you shouldn't bring it up. If you open the door to that topic, in a...
  19. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    I created another thread "bible versus that don't make sense" so we can go further into this without derailing this thread.
  20. JustWondering

    Bible claims/interpretations that don't make sense

    For starters the whole Noah story arc. If not taken literally what twisted message is it trying to convey? If you take it literally there is substantial evidence against it. For instance, if all mammals are descendants from who was on the ark, we would all be horribly inbred. I can concede that...
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