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  1. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    Thank you for the response. If we where debating what I asked you about I would at this point bring up issues I have with your response with explanations on how I arrived at those conclusions. It is at that point that theists can get derailed from the debate. I don't know if these people don't...
  2. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    Is it logical to keep claiming that you detest debating atheists but insist on engaging atheists in a debate forum? Is that logical?
  3. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    Nothing in your above claim is logical, all I see is three unsubstantiated assumptions. 1. Why do you ASSUME nothing can exist without being created, what created your god? 2. If the universe needed a creator, why do you ASSUME it has to be the god you worship? Why couldn't it be magical...
  4. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    It's cool if you don't like debating. What's frustrating for me is theists who chime in on debate threads with no intention of having an honest debate.
  5. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    People hate change. Most people anyway.
  6. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    You didn't answer my question. Which makes more sense, a natural cause (Not Intelligent design) for the existence of the universe, or an endless series of creators? If an intelligent creator of some kind exists, it would need an origin as well. The argument that the world we live in is too...
  7. JustWondering

    It's getting late for me, I'll pick up where we left off later.

    It's getting late for me, I'll pick up where we left off later.
  8. JustWondering

    It's getting late for me, I'll pick up where we left off later.

    It's getting late for me, I'll pick up where we left off later.
  9. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    I was commenting more on the symbolism of the idea than a literal circle. Secondly, if you invoke the need for intelligent design for anything to exist, that need exists for a creator as well. Who created the creator of the circle? So which makes more sense, a natural cause for the existence of...
  10. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    I have respect and empathy for my fellow man. I may not respect their opinions on things sometimes but we can still be civil and get along. One of my friends and I argue all the time on a variety of things (including politics and religion) we'll never agree on, but we're still friends, get along...
  11. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    I liked this part of your post. We really don't know if the universe even had a beginning. I understand that some people need answers to things, but for me, honesty trumps that need. I also understand and can accept that there are some things I'll just never know, I'm ok with saying I don't know.
  12. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    Have you ever honestly considered that your "divine thoughts" could be signs of a mental disorder, or have you ignored that possibility?
  13. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    . I'm pretty sure the Quran is still the same now as it was when it was first written down (I'll have to look into that). In fact, it's supposed to be the direct word of god, it also says that Muhammed is the last prophet. So does Baha'i except Islam as an earlier revelation even though it...
  14. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    *sigh* Well, all the early OT creation story stuff for instance. Which includes Noah, the tower of Babel, people living for hundreds of years, etc...
  15. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    I'm really not trying to insult anyone here. Just making an observation based on my experiences. When I try to get theists to explain or defend their position with a logical response, **** goes off the rails, usually. A lot of them keep repeating things that are only convincing to members of...
  16. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    Since man is incapable of keeping things straight if they even get it right to begin with, why does god keep relying on men to pass messages through? I never got that about revealed religions. Why doesn't god just send angels down to clue us in on stuff? That would be a lot more reliable.
  17. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    Humans are hardwired to see patterns in things, a survival trait that has served us well. Problem is though, sometimes we see patterns that aren't really there. Yet you're fine with a creator god not needing a creator? Which is more plausible to spontaneously exist without a creator, a...
  18. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    Why can't it be both?
  19. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    Maybe I haven't talked to the right theist yet. Maybe I should just make my own religion. Though if I did it would likely turn out to be a lot like Confucianism, which already exists. so why bother?
  20. JustWondering

    Is it a waste of my time to try having honest, logical debates with theists?

    There are more sects of Christianity then I could possibly count. Also, I grew up with two friends who were JW's, so I know a little bit about the JW's doctrines, some of which don't make any reasonable sense to me. Don't get me wrong, I respect JW's more than a lot of other Christian sects...
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