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    Watchtower: Jesus is not "a god"!

    POST ONE OF TWO Hi @Oeste and @tigger2 CORRECT VERSUS INCORRECT USAGE OF THE ARTICLE IN GREEK 1) TIGGER2 (in post #1061) offered correct examples of article use in koine greek as examples for John 1:1c. H.....1. John 4:9 (a) - indefinite ("a Jew") - all translations H,W...2. John 4:19 -...
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    Watchtower: Jesus is not "a god"!

    Hi @tigger2 and @Oeste Regarding Oestes greek example in post #1094 in response to tigger2s greek parallels Oeste said : "There came a man who was sent as a representative of a God; his name was a John." (post #1094) Tigger2 responded : "Obviously I was concerned with parallel examples to...
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    Watchtower: Jesus is not "a god"!

    Hi Oeste 1) THE PROBLEM OF LACK OF A SINGLE EXAMPLE WHERE YOUR CLAIM IS CORRECT. You still failed to answer the questions you were actually asked about the many actual greek examples. We have been given many specific examples of ancient Greek usage by Milligan and Delitsch and Clement and...
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    I found a few religions that believe when you die.Your spirit ceases to be.

    Hi @Aupmanyav Clear said : “I am not sure if this is helpful, but The ancient text Pistis Sophia (enochian) speaks of the spirit as "self- willed (intelligent) matter". Aupmanyav replied : “Good to have some variation, but did they said how matter becomes intelligent? Of course, we know that...
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    I found a few religions that believe when you die.Your spirit ceases to be.

    Hi @Unveiled Artist and @Frank Goad I am not sure if this is helpful, but The ancient text Pistis Sophia (enochian) speaks of the spirit as "self- willed (intelligent) matter". Good luck in your discussion. Clear
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    Watchtower: Jesus is not "a god"!

    MORE EXAMPLES FROM ANCIENT GREEK THAT SHOW ΧΑΡΑΚΤΗΡ ("Character") DID NOT MEAN THE SAME AS ΑΚΡΙΤΙΚΟΣ ΧΑΡΑΚΤΗΡΟΣ (EXACT "REPRESENTATION") Oeste claimed : THAT IS WHAT DICTONARIES ARE FOR...TO GIVE WORD MEANINGS WITHOUT THE NECESSITY OF CONTEXT!!! In posts #1079 and #1080, we have seen...
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    Watchtower: Jesus is not "a god"!

    MORE EXAMPLES FROM MILLIGAN WHICH REFUTE THE CLAIM TO EXACTNESS IN REPRESENTATION Milligans example from P Lond V 1658.8 (written in 4 a.d.) Ghedini “δια χαραγματων ευχομαι…” refutes the inherent idea of exactness in Χαρτακτηρ as "exact representation". If there is exactness implied, it...
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    Watchtower: Jesus is not "a god"!

    WHAT A DICTIONARY IS AND DOES Oeste said : THAT IS WHAT DICTONARIES ARE FOR...TO GIVE WORD MEANINGS WITHOUT THE NECESSITY OF CONTEXT!!! This is incorrect. Dictionaries record and illustrate some meanings and usage that words came to have by common usage, but they do not “give words meanings...
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    Watchtower: Jesus is not "a god"!

    1) REGARDING BASE MEANING OF A WORD AND ADDING ADDITIONAL MEANING Clear said : “Readers will notice that in none of Milligans illustrations does the single word “Character” mean “exact character”. Oeste replied : “Absolutely, which may be a reason no one claims χαρακτηρ means "exact character"...
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    Watchtower: Jesus is not "a god"!

    POST THREE OF THREE Clear gave another example from Milligan : "The text of Preisigke 5275.11 (written in 11 a.d.) says “… αντιγραφον απ αντιγραφου χαραγματος και υπαγραφης Ελληνικοις γραμμασι “ While you now seems to be admitting that there is no implication of “exactness” in the word, why...
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    Watchtower: Jesus is not "a god"!

    POST THREE OF THREE 9) OESTES UNFINISHED COMMENTS ON THE ACTUAL GREEK IN POSTS #1025 AND 1026 YOU HAD MADE YET ANOTHER CLAIM REGARDING THE GREEK OF SYLL 226 3.495 AND THERE WERE QUESTIONS REGARDING MILLIGANS MANY GREEK EXAMPLES AGAINST YOUR CLAIM THAT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO ANSWER. You say...
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    Watchtower: Jesus is not "a god"!

    Hi Oeste You continue to forget to answer the questions regarding your strange claims regarding Milligans and Delitschs actual greek examples. So I included them in the end of these posts. : Oeste said : “You stated you agreed with Milligan and his examples. Milligan specifically tells us...
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    Are Messianic Jews Christians?

    Hi @Psalm23 It is simply a term meant to describe Christians who unduly and inaccurately Criticize other Christians and other Christian movements who worship Christ differently than they, themselves do. Clear.
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    Are Messianic Jews Christians?

    REGARDING ANTI-CHRISTIAN CHRISTIANITY I do not think that anti-Christian Christianity is a good thing. It seems to be content with half-truths and misstatements and ignorant claims. For examples : Teritos said : “Well, even Paul condemns the Messianic Jews.” This is a very Bizarre claim...
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    How are the Titles, ‘Father’, and ‘Son’, defined in the scriptures - in relation to Spirit and Flesh

    REGARDING PHILLIPIANS 2:6 Hi @moorea944 1) Moorea944 said : “The N.I.V. gives a different translation of this phrase, saying that Jesus did not consider equality with God "something to be grasped at". This is NOT the NIV rendering. The actual NIV rendering regarding Jesus is : “Who, being in...
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    How are the Titles, ‘Father’, and ‘Son’, defined in the scriptures - in relation to Spirit and Flesh

    Hi @Brian2 and @Soapy One principle that I think Soapys O.P. and comments lack is historical specificity regarding two points. Soapys' theology : The Messiah did not exist before birth versus Brian2s' theology : The Messiah did exist before birth. CONFLICTING THEOLOGICAL MODELS AND...
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    Watchtower: Jesus is not "a god"!

    POST THREE OF THREE Clear gave another example from Milligan : "In P. Oxy I 144.6 (of 580 a.d.) the text speaks of “χρυσου εν βρυζω Χαραγματι” , While you now seems to be admitting that there is no implication of “exactness” in the word, why would Milligans illustration of the meaning and...
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    Watchtower: Jesus is not "a god"!

    POST TWO OF THREE 4) RESTARTING WHERE WE ACTUALLY LEFT OFF IN POSTS #1025 AND 1026 YOU HAD MADE YET ANOTHER CLAIM REGARDING THE GREEK OF SYLL 226 3.495 AND THERE WERE QUESTIONS REGARDING MILLIGANS MANY GREEK EXAMPLES AGAINST YOUR CLAIM THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO ANSWER. You say you read greek...
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    Watchtower: Jesus is not "a god"!

    POST ONE OF THREE Hi Oeste, I hope your time spent with relatives was pleasant. Back to your claim that the lone, uncontexted word "Χαρακτηρ" in ancient Koine greek meant "exact representation" 1) EVEN THE WORD “HORSE” IN YOUR EXAMPLE MUST HAVE ADDITIONAL CONTEXT TO HAVE ADDITIONAL...
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    Christians Only: The Book of Mormon

    POST FOUR OF FOUR The Christian text “Life of Adam and Eve” relates the same incident : Speaking to Adam, the Devil said : “ ...because of you I am expelled and deprived of my glory which I had in the heavens in the midst of angels, and because of you I was cast out onto the earth.” 2 Adam...
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