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  1. Brian2

    Proof of Pre-Existence

    I can be a trinitarian and believe that the pre existing, uncreated Jesus stepped into His creation when He became a man.
  2. Brian2

    Proof of Pre-Existence

    One who was equal to God, became a servant of God for our sake.
  3. Brian2

    Proof of Pre-Existence

    Jesus was not created (see John 1:3) so any quotes you give which you claim to show that He was created are misinterpretations or lies by your teachers. eg. "firstborn" does not always mean "first one born". (see Psalm 89:27. A firstborn is not appointed.)
  4. Brian2

    Do you Think we have Free Will

    A&E story shows that humans wanted to be free to choose their own path even when we know God is going to judge us. The bigger picture has also angels who have chosen to go their own way also. It is all God's creation and God has chosen His way of getting rid of evil in His creation and it...
  5. Brian2

    Do you Think we have Free Will

    As long as you mean by all that, that we have free will even if God knows what we will freely choose, I agree. IOW it is not God's knowing what we will do that determines what we will do, it is our choices which determine that.
  6. Brian2

    Do you Think we have Free Will

    OK, there "was" no prohibition on sex in Eden. I changed my sarcastic post to reflect a more Bible based interpretation.
  7. Brian2

    Do you Think we have Free Will

    There was no prohibition on sex. God actually told them to multiply and fill the earth. Actually God forbade Adam from eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil even before Eve was there, so I don't think that "sex" was in mind. Gen 2:15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the...
  8. Brian2

    Do you Think we have Free Will

    I have no idea what you are talking about unless you have made up your own version of the story of A&E and are ignoring the Bible story. You could always go to the Bible and read the story and judge God on the actual story.
  9. Brian2

    Do you Think we have Free Will

    No that is not a problem for me. That is only a problem for those who want to find fault in a perfectly rational story. God allows us to be what He created us to be, humans with moral choices to make. We choose and reap the consequences of our choices. Even people who believe in God and that He...
  10. Brian2

    Why So Much Trinity Bashing?

    Of course you have to deny the legitimacy of the OT and NT if you are an atheist and as many atheist do, make up your own story to explain the OT and NT. The Jesus Myth idea is not seen as sensible by most historians and when the evidence is considered.
  11. Brian2

    Why So Much Trinity Bashing?

    Your faith is in the atheism which says that "religion is syncretic." The Egyptians know of a group of people in Canaan where they should be according to the Bible and politically as they should be according to the Bible. "a loosely affilitated tribal confederation". Merneptah witnesses to the...
  12. Brian2

    Why So Much Trinity Bashing?

    Hebrews 1:1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.
  13. Brian2

    Why So Much Trinity Bashing?

    John 1:3 (New World Translation) All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.
  14. Brian2

    Do you Think we have Free Will

    What problem are you talking about? The issue is free will. God knew what A&E would freely choose to do. How does God's knowing mean that they cannot freely choose? God did not determine suffering and death by taking our free will away. Some people say that the events in Genesis did not...
  15. Brian2

    Do you Think we have Free Will

    God knew what Adam and Eve would freely choose, so they had a choice,,,,,,,,,,, as we do also. Not determined, known. And God knows that the long term, into eternity, after evil has been eliminated in the world, will make all the suffering and death of the short human history all worth it in...
  16. Brian2

    Why So Much Trinity Bashing?

    My conclusion is that Jesus is the Son of God (Psalm 2:7) and did not ever come into existence, begine to exist, iow was always in existence (John 1:3)
  17. Brian2

    Jewish Messiah

    Hi, welcome to the forum. Interesting looking religion. You are probably going to get more views and reaction if you start your own thread. Give it a catchy title and put it in a forum that suites. If you want more debate, this forum (Religious Debates) is fine, otherwise you can go to...
  18. Brian2

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    Jesus did not live forever. He died and rose again and now is alive forever. His suffering and death is seen in the OT and His resurrection also can be seen there. That would depend which prophecies in the OT you see as describing the Messiah. The Jews used to accept as Messianic, many of the...
  19. Brian2

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    From this site: Messianic Prophecy - Jews for Jesus There are other passages also that Jews and Christians have interpreted to be Messianic but the Jews do not do that these any longer. Messiah will suffer and die to atone for sin In Isaiah 53, the prophet foretells that the Messiah will...
  20. Brian2

    Do you Think we have Free Will

    Knowing in advance does not mean determinism if God knows what people will do freely. God also knows the really distant future and that all the suffering etc would be worth it in the end. With our limited knowledge we blame God for the suffering but faith that God is good enables us to praise...
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