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  1. Brian2

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    It certainly means that peace has not come yet, but there is nothing in either passage that says that when the Messiah comes peace will automatically start.
  2. Brian2

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    Well of course you do not see Isa 9:7 as Messianic, I know that, however, given the reason you gave for Isa 2 being Messianic, Isa 9:7 is more likely to be Messianic because it has the era of peace PLUS the child in the passage ruling on the throne of David forever. So why do Jews say that Isa...
  3. Brian2

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    The question was about why that passage is not considered Messianic by Jews but Isa 2:4 is, when both passages mention similar things and the Isa 9:7 seems even more likely to be Messianic because it speaks of someone ruling on the throne of David. But yes, the peace obviously has not happened...
  4. Brian2

    Why So Much Trinity Bashing?

    If 1Timothy 3:16 actually said what the KJV and NKJV have, that would mean that Jesus was God. That is what "God manifest in the flesh" actually means. But when you look up 1Timothy 3:16 in Bible Hub you can see that this seems to be another place where the KJV has it wrong. However when the...
  5. Brian2

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    This passage mentions an era of worldwide peace and further mentions that the child will be on the throne of David forever. Wouldn't that be also crystal clear reference to the Messianic era? Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, on the throne of David...
  6. Brian2

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    I see the passage as being about the Messiah but I don't see a reference to the Messiah in the passage and you are unwilling or unable to help me see a reference to the Messiah. OK.
  7. Brian2

    Why So Much Trinity Bashing?

    If you reject the Bible where it shows that Jesus is God and if you only look at the human Jesus then you are not seeing the whole picture of who and what Jesus is.
  8. Brian2

    Why So Much Trinity Bashing?

    In regard their wills, it is the will of the Father that is followed and the Holy Spirit and the Son will to do the Father's will. And of course, they all do exist even if they act in harmony, as one. 3 willing and acting as one. Sounds right. I wonder if they have discussions and disagreements...
  9. Brian2

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    I see nothing about the Messiah, only about "he" and that "he" looks like it is referring to the LORD unless the Messiah is the "word of the LORD". Isa 2:1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 2 It shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of...
  10. Brian2

    Why So Much Trinity Bashing?

    I was sinless as a baby but that means nothing. We have all fallen short of the glory of God, our righteousness is like filthy rags. Angels have done what is wrong also. But we are talking about humans here. The Son was equal (Phil 2) and did not cling to that but became a man, a servant. It...
  11. Brian2

    Why So Much Trinity Bashing?

    And if they have their own wills and subject them to the will of the Father,,,,,,,,,,, thus all acting together in the one purpose? That might depend on his purpose for writing the story of Jesus. He may have wanted to have a written record of Jesus as told in sermons and teaching by Peter...
  12. Brian2

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    How do you know this?
  13. Brian2

    Why So Much Trinity Bashing?

    Only one man has ever been perfectly sinless, Jesus, so He was good, as His Father is. He was a man who was tempted but was able to overcome His flesh, the world, because He was also just like His Father. The Son has the nature of His Father and is equal to His Father in that way, but on...
  14. Brian2

    Why So Much Trinity Bashing?

    For a start, "Cast upon God" does not mean "made in His image". It means that Jesus relied on God from birth. His Father was not His God before He came to earth. He was equal to God before He became a man. Then He became a man and so had a God, as other men have. He was made like other humans...
  15. Brian2

    Why So Much Trinity Bashing?

    The meaning of Heb 1:3. The Son is as glorious as His Father. Why can't you understand that? Jesus was on earth as the servant of God. He was sent and willingly came to earth to do that. (Phil 2) Jesus rose and went to heaven to be seated on at the right hand of God and God is serving Him by...
  16. Brian2

    Why So Much Trinity Bashing?

    I would say that they have their own wills and all agree with each other. There are different historians with different views. The truth however is that because Mark does not mention Jesus birth, that does not mean that he did not know about it or that he did not agree with both Luke and...
  17. Brian2

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    So anyway, why do Jews say that Isa 2:4 is Messianic when it reads as if the LORD will bring peace.
  18. Brian2

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    I brought up Isa 9 because that Messianic prophecy would be a justification to see Isa 7:14 prophecy as about the Messiah also. An almah can be a virgin or not. In the double prophecy about Hezekiah and the Messiah, when it was about Hezekiah is means young woman and when about the Messiah is...
  19. Brian2

    If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

    John probably knew the other gospel writings and probably saw no need to repeat them. John did say that there were things that he had left out of his gospel. The source of Mark's gospel was probably what Peter had spoken in sermons etc and Peter may not have mentioned the virgin birth. Because...
  20. Brian2

    Why So Much Trinity Bashing?

    I thought you are a Jehovah's Witness. Are all JW beliefs explained in the Bible or is the Bible explained to JWs by the Governing Body? My belief that Jesus is the creator and was not created is shown in the Bible. John 1:2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through Him all things were made...
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