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  1. DavidSMoore

    Not even Christians believe the *edit* of creation

    See this post: A God of love and mercy That's what I dispute. I see no evidence anywhere in the Old Testament that God gave Adam and Eve any promise whatsoever to be saved or to be reunited with God in any sense. You twisted the meaning of Genesis 3:15-21 to imply that God had negotiated some...
  2. DavidSMoore

    Not even Christians believe the *edit* of creation

    I don't read Genesis 3:15-21 as an agreement. I read it as an edict. God didn't negotiate with Adam and Eve and then agree to the terms of a contract. He simply denounced their actions and threw them out of the garden of Eden. You're trying-- very hard-- to make a condemnation sound like some...
  3. DavidSMoore

    Not even Christians believe the *edit* of creation

    Here's a covenant from the Bible: Note the use of the word "covenant." The word "covenant" appears nowhere in Genesis 3. Genesis 3:15-21 doesn't read like a covenant. To me it reads like a curse: I don't understand how you were able to read it as a covenant. Let's talk about the things that...
  4. DavidSMoore

    Not even Christians believe the *edit* of creation

    Nope. What the Bible actually says is that God threw Adam and Eve out of the garden of Eden to prevent them from having eternal life: The reason why Adam and Eve had eternal life while living in the garden of Eden was because they were able to eat the fruit of the tree of life. It wasn't...
  5. DavidSMoore

    Not even Christians believe the *edit* of creation

    Your initial objection to the scientific theory of evolution was that species cannot "cross boundaries." The migratory habits of birds may be interesting, but they don't disprove the fundamental claim of evolution, which is that all life forms on Earth today are descended from one or a few...
  6. DavidSMoore

    Not even Christians believe the *edit* of creation

    I agree that science has not explained how life originated, but I have every confidence that one day it will. In my view you lost that part of the debate 400 years ago. At that time the cutting edge topic of scientific discourse was the motions of the planets. The prevailing theory (and it was...
  7. DavidSMoore

    Not even Christians believe the *edit* of creation

    The scientific theory of evolution is a theory of the origin of species. It is not a theory of the origin of life. At present there is no scientific theory of the origin of life. There are scientific hypotheses about it, some of which are being actively investigated. But as of right now there is...
  8. DavidSMoore

    Not even Christians believe the *edit* of creation

    I don't get where you're going with this. According to the biblical story, God separated the waters above from the waters below on Day 2. But the stars didn't exist until Day 4. Yes, I understand that oxygen is one of the elements that have been produced in the cores of stars, but any water that...
  9. DavidSMoore

    Not even Christians believe the *edit* of creation

    Institute for Creation Research: Presbyterian Church: Liberty University: So yes, there are indeed people who call themselves Christians who interpret the biblical story of the creation absolutely literally. In 1999 the Presbyterian Church put together a special commission of theologians...
  10. DavidSMoore

    Not even Christians believe the *edit* of creation

    Are you possibly wondering why I titled my original posting "Not even Christians believe the story of the creation"? If so, I think it's pretty clear from the past 3+ months of discussion that no one-- Christian or otherwise-- is defending any of the following: The universe was fashioned from...
  11. DavidSMoore

    Not even Christians believe the *edit* of creation

    ?? I'm not sure what specific comment you are referencing. I hope I'm not engaging in straw man arguments. :(
  12. DavidSMoore

    Not even Christians believe the *edit* of creation

    Not sure. The range of beliefs of people who call themselves Christian is very broad, as I see it.
  13. DavidSMoore

    Not even Christians believe the *edit* of creation

    Substitute the word "story" for "*edit*".
  14. DavidSMoore

    Not even Christians believe the *edit* of creation

    The only three dimensional geometric shape that would fit beneath a dome shaped atmosphere is a flat disc. So the author of the Biblical story of creation must have believed that the Earth is a flat disc. Simple. Does the Bible explicitly state "The Earth is a flat disc"? No, it doesn't. But so...
  15. DavidSMoore

    Not even Christians believe the *edit* of creation

    The Earth is an oblate spheroid. The Earth's atmosphere is a 6200 mile thick shell shaped layer that envelops the Earth. I see no way that the Earth's atmosphere can be described as a dome. But the Hebrew word that is rendered as "firmament" in older translations of the Bible really means...
  16. DavidSMoore

    Not even Christians believe the *edit* of creation

    You're late to the party. Why not go back to the beginning of this thread to see what we've been discussion discussing for the last three and a half months: First post of this thread.
  17. DavidSMoore

    Not even Christians believe the *edit* of creation

    Yup. I agree. I realize now that I should have responded to @GardenLady when she said: My point was that the issues that are brought to the fore in the NRSVue were latent in previous English translations. But they were obscured, chiefly by the use of the obsolete English word "firmament," and...
  18. DavidSMoore

    Not even Christians believe the *edit* of creation

    No, of course not. The Earth is an oblate spheroid. The universe is not an ocean of water. The Earth's atmosphere is not dome shaped. And the Sun, the Moon, and the stars are not contained within the Earth's atmosphere. And yet the Bible's story of creation says all of that.
  19. DavidSMoore

    Not even Christians believe the *edit* of creation

    Why? Is it only because if God did not create the universe from nothing, then God is not omnipotent? That's not a sufficient reason to assume that God created the universe from nothing. I offered my interpretation of the first sentence of the Bible (from the NRSVue) several times in previous...
  20. DavidSMoore

    Not even Christians believe the *edit* of creation

    Here's what I said in the very first posting of this thread about the NRSVue: (The New Revised Standard Version, Updated Edition was published in 2019. The organization that holds the copyright on that version is the National Council of Churches of the United States of America. So it represents...
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