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  1. DavidSMoore

    Morality of the Old Testament

    Ad hominem.
  2. DavidSMoore

    Morality of the Old Testament

    If Yahweh is the one true God of the universe then wouldn't every sentient being in the universe be obligated to follow his commandments?
  3. DavidSMoore

    Morality of the Old Testament

    Do Christians actually believe in the morality of the Old Testament? Let’s consider the Fourth Commandment: As a general principle, certainly that is good advice. But what if your father and mother are criminals? Should you still honor them? What if a young woman’s father is a sexual predator...
  4. DavidSMoore

    The Garden of Eden

    It's been several decades since I read the Communist Manifesto but I don't recall Marx saying anything about DACA or anything like DACA. So I'm not sure I understand how you got from DACA to Marxist. And if you think it represents Obama's darkly evil plot to overthrow the entire federal...
  5. DavidSMoore

    The Garden of Eden

    But the Catholic Church certainly existed in 1633 when Galileo was put on trial for asserting that the earth moves.
  6. DavidSMoore

    The Garden of Eden

    There was an intense debate about the structure of the Senate in the Federal Convention. Low population states had become accustomed to the power they had under the Articles of Confederation and they insisted upon equal representation in the Senate. Mr. Gerry (of Massachusetts) was present when...
  7. DavidSMoore

    The Garden of Eden

    Here's a link to the Federal Registry of Executive Orders, by president: https://www.federalregister.gov/presidential-documents/executive-orders I'll let the followers of this thread judge for themselves whether President Obama broke the mold.
  8. DavidSMoore

    The Garden of Eden

    Here's another quote from Tyranny of the Minority: Why are so many Americans dissatisfied with democracy? Our nation cannot be considered poor in any sense. Our Constitution is the oldest in the world. By any normal metric Americans should be the most satisfied with their democracy of any...
  9. DavidSMoore

    The Garden of Eden

    ??? God said: It's a fruit tree. People eat the fruit of fruit trees. They don't eat the bark or the leaves. I'm baffled by how you are reading this. You seem to be trying to make this story far more complicated than it is.
  10. DavidSMoore

    The Garden of Eden

    One of the traditions that was baked into early Christian belief was Greek Astrology and its concomitant support system the Ptolemaic model of planetary motion. That model held that the earth is fixed and immobile at the center of the universe. The Bible itself explicitly says that the earth...
  11. DavidSMoore

    The Garden of Eden

    Since 1985 Rotary International has been working to eliminate Polio in the world. Rotary has many partners, including the World Health Organization and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. But Rotarians have put more than $1 billion into the polio eradication effort. Here's a link that describes...
  12. DavidSMoore

    The Garden of Eden

    Yes, I read the Communist Manifesto. Marx got some things right-- but he never imagined what the American labor movement would achieve.
  13. DavidSMoore

    The Garden of Eden

    Wow, what a load of rubbish. I can't even begin to sort through the massive confusions in the above. I'll just let Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt, the authors of Tyranny of the Minority, explain a few facts about the American national government: The American Constitution was a marvel and...
  14. DavidSMoore

    The Garden of Eden

    Did you forget about the Taiping Rebellion, the most deadly religious war in history-- all the product of Christian excess? Or that the Second World War was instigated by the good Lutherans of Germany? Or that the Catholics of Italy fully supported Mussolini? I'm certainly not excusing Mao or...
  15. DavidSMoore

    The Garden of Eden

    That's exactly what I did in the very first posting of this thread. I argued against Original Sin. That's a key belief of Catholicism, and also for several protestant faiths.
  16. DavidSMoore

    The Garden of Eden

    Here's what the Catholic Catechism has to say about the creation: That's the opposite of what the very first sentence of the Bible actually says. The point of the Catholic Church's reading is to "prove" that God is omnipotent. But in fact the story of the creation says the God of the Bible is...
  17. DavidSMoore

    The Garden of Eden

    There are a whole lot of people in the Christian world who believe that absolutely every single word in Genesis is to be taken literally, not allegorically. The story of the creation is just that: a story. It's not fact. It's not true. And parts of it were clearly borrowed from other ancient...
  18. DavidSMoore

    The Garden of Eden

    Yes I'm familiar with the NET Bible and its extensive notes. Question #1: Here's how the first three verses of the Bible is rendered in the New Revised Standard Version, Updated Edition published in 2019: That reading makes it clear that God fashioned the universe from the preexisting chaos...
  19. DavidSMoore

    The Garden of Eden

    Read this: Not even Christians believe the *edit* of creation Then answer these 3 questions: 1. Do you agree with the Bible that God fashioned the universe from the preexisting chaos? 2. Do you agree with the Bible that the universe is an ocean of water? 3. Do you agree with the Bible that the...
  20. DavidSMoore

    The Garden of Eden

    If the garden of Eden exists then it should be extremely easy to find because we know exactly where it should be. Here's what the Bible says: Not only that, but after God expelled the humans from Eden he posted guards at the entrance: So all you have to do to show that the garden of Eden...
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