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  1. DeepShadow

    The Noah Story: How literally do you take it?

    Okay, this may seem evasive, but IMO there's a deep truth behind what I'm trying to say here: I don't reconcile them, because I don't think everything needs to be reconciled. If there's a serious discrepancy (like 5/6ths of science vs. a face value hermaneutic of Genesis), I work something out...
  2. DeepShadow

    "Religious Freedom", the Mormon Church's take

    It appears that many, many churches are alarmed by the report, when it complains lines like this: ""The phrases 'religious liberty' and 'religious freedom' will stand for nothing except hypocrisy so long as they remain code words for discrimination, intolerance, racism, sexism, homophobia...
  3. DeepShadow

    The Noah Story: How literally do you take it?

    I believe the Noah story describes a local event in the Fertile Crescent, not a worldwide flood. Thus, I would say it's neither entirely allegory, nor to be interpreted literally (by which I mean a face-value hermaneutic).
  4. DeepShadow

    Katzpur and DeepShadow on Recent LDS Policies

    Not at all, you are correct. This is allowed because there is no official union between the two parents, distorted or not. Once there is an official union between the parents, the church MUST grapple with it. That's part of the general principle here, that the Church takes social/legal...
  5. DeepShadow

    Katzpur and DeepShadow on Recent LDS Policies

    LOL, I will reply to the rest eventually, but in all transparency, I believe this tactic would work. Keep it up, keep me coming back!
  6. DeepShadow

    GOP vs. Dems: it's a red herring (it's really about corruption)

    I hear you; having to choose between GOP/Dem is like someone asking me if I want my open-heart surgery done with a nail file or a spork. But this problem is created and maintained, in part, by FPTP voting. That's what creates and ensures a two-party system, and prevents strong third parties...
  7. DeepShadow

    Doctor assisted suicide. Are you for it or against it?

    Of course that's not the intent, but that's what is already happening in the name of euthanasia. Someone who needs a respirator to breathe petitions for the right to turn it off and die, because they see themselves as terminally ill. They see themselves this way in part because they are...
  8. DeepShadow

    Wondering About the Book of Mormon

    I'd characterize it as something in between. More specific that mere feelings, but lacking the sensory element of hearing spoken words. So, more than a feeling, but less than a voice.
  9. DeepShadow

    Doctor assisted suicide. Are you for it or against it?

    I think it's a lot more complex than just a "yes" or "no" issue. I've seen statistics suggesting that over 50% of people in the ICU suffer from ICU psychosis, which can include suicidal depression, and that a form of it can persist out of the ICU for people who need continuous medical care...
  10. DeepShadow

    Does Russia now respect free speech more than the West?

    The OP is a false analogy, or even a bait-and-switch. There was no threat to the actual legal right of free speech here, just the public practice of speaking freely. "Free speech" means it's not a crime (as in punishable by the government) to speak your mind on a given matter. But this was...
  11. DeepShadow

    Happy Birthday DeepShadow!

    Wow, that was really sweet, guys! I'm so glad I came back to this forum.
  12. DeepShadow

    Free will has never been demonstrated to exist

    Exactly!
  13. DeepShadow

    Katzpur and DeepShadow on Recent LDS Policies

    Thank you, Katzpur (and any audience members) for your patience. I am now in a position to respond again, and resume my commitment to weekly participation in the forum. I'd like to revisit this discussion by focusing very close on a point I made last time, Katz, which I don't think you have...
  14. DeepShadow

    Free will has never been demonstrated to exist

    By that logic, the list of things that don't exist could be expanded to include not just all colors, but all sensations and perceptions (just interpretations of the mind), all language, locations in space and time, all abstractions such as love, happiness, right, wrong, joy, pain...even the...
  15. DeepShadow

    Mormon Discussion: The Witnesses

    Not at all: He saw it with his natural and spiritual eyes, together. In some statements, he speaks of one, and in others he speaks of another. No contradiction. Also, have you found any statements by any of the other ten witnesses about the "spiritual eyes"? If not, then how can this not be...
  16. DeepShadow

    Mormon Discussion: The Witnesses

    Nor does Harris ever state that he saw the plates with his spiritual eyes only. On the contrary, he explicitly stated that he saw them with his natural eyes as well: "The Prophet Joseph Smith, and Oliver Cowdery and David Whitmer and myself, went into a little grove to pray to obtain a promise...
  17. DeepShadow

    Mormon Discussion: The Witnesses

    I don't see the problem with this statement. An angel qualifies as a supernatural power.
  18. DeepShadow

    Mormon Discussion: The Witnesses

    As far as I can tell, Martin Harris is the only witness who ever used the "spiritual eyes" statement, and he made many, many other statements that were not so obtuse. His deathbed statement, for example, has him pointing to his own eyes and ears and saying he had seen/heard with them...
  19. DeepShadow

    Mormon Discussion: The Witnesses

    Yeah, I'm going to need specific sources to refer to before I comment on the actual witnesses. That being said, my testimony is rooted in the church today, at this instant. There is nothing I could learn about someone in the 1800's that would convince me that Thomas S. Monson is not a true...
  20. DeepShadow

    Once we live forever

    Would anyone like to discuss the OP with me? I find it an interesting topic. Please see my post above on May 1st for my reply to it.
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