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  1. DeepShadow

    Joseph Smith - Prophet of God

    I really thought I'd be able to get on this board once a week. Really I did. :sorry1: We don't actually know how the translations occurred. The only accounts that mention seer stones are secondhand accounts from people who already knew about his prior activities. That such people would...
  2. DeepShadow

    Does science support Atheism, positively?

    There have been many scientific studies that inform upon theological/religious questions, but none that can prove a theistic or atheistic worldview. For example: Attributions of free will "God" as an extension of social sense Measuring the power of forgiveness Autism/low ToM may lead to a...
  3. DeepShadow

    Joseph Smith - Prophet of God

    It would be useful to give specific arguments, backed up by factual evidence. Not sure what the accusation is here. Please be more specific. Libel is a crime; Joseph was in a position to uphold the law. Conflicted interpretation of that law and his power to enforce it led to his charges...
  4. DeepShadow

    Joseph Smith - Prophet of God

    I consider the possibility all the time, but that's irrelevant. You have asserted the claim there is no God. Now you are saying that there's no objective evidence for God. This is not the same thing. The latter is a statement of fact, and I do not disagree. The former is an assertion for...
  5. DeepShadow

    Joseph Smith - Prophet of God

    I'm sorry, I missed the "meat" you are talking about. Really, I apologize, to you and to Turkey. Was I supposed to address how there is no objective evidence of God? I totally agree. I've never said there was any objective evidence of God. There's also no objective evidence that I love my...
  6. DeepShadow

    Joseph Smith - Prophet of God

    Ah, the argument from absurdity! Yeah, because absurd things never turn out to be true.:rolleyes: I've heard people make the same argument against evolution, that it's utter nonsense for men to have evolved from primordial soup. That all of this just happened by chance, like the unabridged...
  7. DeepShadow

    Joseph Smith - Prophet of God

    (source: wiki)The burden of proof lies upon anyone who asserts a claim. "There is no god" is just as much an assertion as "there is a god." "Asserting the falsehood of the positive claim shifts the burden of proof from the party making the first claim to the one asserting its falsehood..."...
  8. DeepShadow

    Joseph Smith - Prophet of God

    Your statement that there are no prophets rests on the nonexistence of God. You have made an affirmative claim (there is no god) and have other claims resting on it (thus no prophets). Burden of proof is now on you to back it up. Please show that God does not exist.
  9. DeepShadow

    "Spanking babies is surprisingly common, U.S. study finds"

    I'm very glad, but that proves nothing. You might as well say that you smoked and didn't get lung cancer. In the world of risk factors, the existence of people who dodged the risk is not as important as the population data. It sounds like you were using spanking in a very limited way...
  10. DeepShadow

    Why is scripture no longer being written today?

    Agreed. Only division? That "only" is a small word, but a strong one. I think you'd need some evidence to back up a claim that these early writings ONLY divide. Maybe...or maybe scripture is still being written. Exactly why some of us follow a modern prophet, and allow for an open...
  11. DeepShadow

    Genealogies of Jesus

    It's a simple, one-word error, probably by a careless transcriber. Not all Christians believe the Bible to be immune to such errors. If anyone out there DOES believe that, I'll let them give their own explanation. As for this dicussion, it's pretty unfair to hold us all to a ludicrous...
  12. DeepShadow

    "Spanking babies is surprisingly common, U.S. study finds"

    It says "shepherd's implement." Again, how does a shepherd use his implement? Does he beat the sheep with it? The word "boundaries" was my own word for how a shepherd keeps sheep close. I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. They have their interpretation. I have mine. I know...
  13. DeepShadow

    "Spanking babies is surprisingly common, U.S. study finds"

    If I had said that the theory of evolution was confirmed by every study in biology, would that destroy my credibility? Because it's actually a very similar scenario. This claim--that punishment is less effective than any other method--is a critical feature of Skinner's theory of operant...
  14. DeepShadow

    "Spanking babies is surprisingly common, U.S. study finds"

    How do you know that the "rod" refers to corporal punishment? My sources say it refers to a shepherd's crook. How does a shepherd use a crook? Using it to strike the sheep would lead to them running away from the shepherd. Using it to block the sheep from straying will lead to them staying...
  15. DeepShadow

    "Spanking babies is surprisingly common, U.S. study finds"

    Ummm...no, it's not. "Punishment" is not the same as "discipline." Discipline is very important in good parenting. Punishment is a last resort in good parenting. The "hat" is a gen psych textbook. See the link above. From the slideshow: "Generally, punishment DOES NOT help people develop...
  16. DeepShadow

    "Spanking babies is surprisingly common, U.S. study finds"

    Based on what? The conclusions of decades of behavioral science have gone into textbooks. Inconclusive things don't make it into textbooks. What do these textbooks say about punishment? Here, have a look: The Science of Psychology, Chapter 5 slides The second slide has a question...
  17. DeepShadow

    Genealogies of Jesus

    Why? Saying a question or an OP is unfair, biased or misleading is a perfectly good contribution to a discussion. If there's a need for clarification, the OP author might be able to clarify. If the question's a trap--intentional or not--a warning to others would be very helpful. Just because...
  18. DeepShadow

    Genealogies of Jesus

    You got your answer on page 3: This answer explains both the 13-generation error and the discrepancy between the two genealogies. Now let's hear your rebuttal of it.
  19. DeepShadow

    Christian's Birthdays and Other Holidays

    At the recommendation of another forum member, I have edited my previous post to be a little more understanding. I hope no one was offended. I'll be happy to look into the scientific claims of blood transfusions vs. bloodless surgery, if the original topic no longer interests anyone. My first...
  20. DeepShadow

    "Spanking babies is surprisingly common, U.S. study finds"

    And this is why I prefer to speak of the perils of "punishment" rather than "spanking." The problem is not spanking. It's the over-used of punishment, especially what behaviorists call "positive punishment": spanking, lecture, yelling, shaming, etc. The withholding of food would be negative...
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