You're splitting hairs on the definition of evidence. If you want to call something that doesn't support a claim "Evidence" then by all means have at it. All I'm saying is that there is no recorded evidence of the apostles having existed. Is that a fair statement?
You're putting words in my mouth. I never said Christians are stupid or irrational anywhere here. If anything I think they're gullible and uneducated. And you're conflating my claim. All I said was that in the final analysis legitimate historians like Bart Ehrman do not consider oral testimony...
It's easy to throw charges around. That's all Christians do when they have no evidence to back up their claims. Why don't you prove I'm wrong instead. Quote some historians who say oral traditions are evidence.
I can only say again apologists are trying to pass off conjecture and assumptions as facts. Don't you think that dishonest of them? Would Jesus have approved of such deceit?
Exactly right.
12 can be found in 187 places in God's word. Revelation alone has 22 occurrences of the number. Jacob had 12 sons, Ishmael had 12 sons. Christians never wonder about this stuff.
These were the most important men in the known world after jesus supposedly ascended. Jesus entrusted them to carry the gospel message to the entire world. But not a single word was written about them??????? It's like Christianity's foundation is less stable than desert sand blowing in the wind.
Not when Christians are trying to prove Jesus rose based on a foundation-less statement like "The fact all the apostles were willing to die for their faith in Jesus is proof Jesus rose."
I bristle when I hear Christians say, "All the apostles were willing to die for their faith in Jesus." It has become such a cliche like the other one, "There's more evidence for Jesus than there is for Julius Caesar" and my favorite--"Jesus Christ is the most well-attested figure in history." Do...
YOu're trying to tell us that scientists, mathematicians, theologians, philosophers all believe Jesus said, "I am the way the truth and the life blabla." Now THAT is truly worth a good LOL. Sam, God bless and protect you. I think you'll need it.
And here is the core of the problem with Christianity: since we have absolutely no evidence Jesus the son of died lived (as opposed to a historical anonymous sage of some kind around which mythical stores were built) and we have no writings from him and absolutely no testimony from any...
Here's how the Jesus seminar described Jesus:
The Seminar's reconstruction of the historical Jesus portrayed him as an itinerant Hellenistic Jewish sage and faith-healer who preached a gospel of liberation from injustice in startling parables and aphorisms.[4][5][6] An iconoclast, Jesus broke...
He, Dr. Carrier, and 50 respected CHRISTIAN Biblical scholars of the Jesus Seminar.
According to the Seminar, Jesus was a mortal man born of two human parents, who did NOT perform nature miracles nor die as a substitute for sinners nor rise bodily from the dead.[4][5][6]
Jesus Seminar -...
You can't even produce evidence Jesus existed, period! If he never existed obviously his claim "I am the only way to God" was written by churchmen to lure pagans into the religion. Pure insidious evil.