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  1. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    Are you talking about passages like "God sent His Son into the world"? Passages like that have to exist so that we can see that the Son is not the Father. They do not tell us that the Father and Son are separate however, since we find Jesus saying that the Son is in the Father and the Father is...
  2. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    The 3 are distinct but not separate. In the Son is the Father and the Holy Spirit. In the Father is the Son and Holy Spirit. In the Holy Spirit is the Father and Son. The 3 are called YHWH in the Bible and the Father is called the one true God and imo that is because both the Son and the Holy...
  3. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    True. Everything that the Father has belongs to the Son. (John 16:15) The Son was in the form of God before becoming a man (Phil 2) and now is back filling the whole universe. (Eph 4:10) IOW the Son is more than a man. Jesus being the image of the invisible God means that Jesus, internally...
  4. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    I am regretting coming back already. Jesus is the only Son of God, and God sent Him to become a man and be our sinless atonement and our redeemer. He is exactly like His Father, iow He has the nature of God. The Baha'is change the meaning of "manifestation" however when they say that...
  5. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    Those terms are confusing when used out of context, as you do. 3 distinct persons, one God. Yes, the mistakes of the Catholic Church. The Bible does tell us why these idols were in the Temple and in peoples' houses however. Once you reject that source of historical information you can...
  6. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    The Bible has Jesus as the only Son of God, not one of many.
  7. Brian2

    Who here believes in "Scientism"?

    Saying that they simply do not believe in God really means that at the moment, for them, God is not real, does not exist. And when you look at the evidence they require before they will believe in God, it is easy to see that they believe in scientism and that they are hard atheists in everything...
  8. Brian2

    "Her penis" - not at all Orwellian - argh

    Yes men exhibit female traits and females exhibit male traits and we live life that way.
  9. Brian2

    "Her penis" - not at all Orwellian - argh

    Sounds good. Puberty is not a disease and "needing" the treatment sounds too strong a term. We all go through tough things in puberty and no treatment is going to make a male into a female or a female into a male, whether it is started earlier or later.
  10. Brian2

    "Her penis" - not at all Orwellian - argh

    I did not say that. Something that comes to mind is that males are generally more thing oriented and females are more person and relationship oriented. Take people past adolescence and to an age of more clarity and maturity about sexual orientation and/or gender. And probably for good...
  11. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    Jesus was recognised to be part of the Trinity before those terms were used. Yes, the Son and the Father are distinct persons. In plain English (as opposed to the altered English that Baha'i uses) a manifestation of God is when God shows Himself to the world in a form other than His real form...
  12. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    Jesus did not claim to be a manifestation of God. Jesus claimed to be the Son of God. Jesus claim to be the Son of God and a messenger from God was backed up by God's enabling Jesus to perform miracles and by God raising Jesus from the dead. The term "Manifestation of God" seems to be...
  13. Brian2

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    The trinity is not 3 Gods. No it does not result from that.
  14. Brian2

    Who here believes in "Scientism"?

    I think most people would have their reasons for believing, iow, their own personal evidence. It's no good leaving your brain out of your faith.
  15. Brian2

    Who here believes in "Scientism"?

    Yes, true, and that is why those who say that science tells us that God is not needed, are making a statement of faith. As for the Bible, if science tells us that there was a large local flood then I don't need to dismiss what the Bible says, I can interpret the flood to be a large local flood...
  16. Brian2

    "Her penis" - not at all Orwellian - argh

    Bringing biological boys up as girls does not change them into girls, and the same can be said for bringing up biological girls as boys. Masculine traits remain in the boys and feminine traits in the girls. Sure, improve diagnosis and etc and increase the age of consent for such things. I...
  17. Brian2

    Who here believes in "Scientism"?

    Most people who follow the evidence are not just following the evidence of science. Pure science does not conclude "God". Many follow the science only and so end up saying that it looks like there is no need for God/s, "nature alone is sufficient." But of course that is a statement of faith.
  18. Brian2

    Who here believes in "Scientism"?

    What we see in nature and science can be subjective evidence for a God for us. iow it is a matter of faith. Some people look at the same things and claim that science has shown that God/s are not needed. These people accept only what science can tell them about reality.
  19. Brian2

    Torah in Christianity

    Jews are only Jews biologically if they are atheists. Is God pleased with them? The stumbling block for Jews is Jesus and His claim about whom He is, the Son of God who was sent from heaven to be the atoning sacrifice (Isa 53) and who will come again to judge the earth and rule on the throne of...
  20. Brian2

    "Her penis" - not at all Orwellian - argh

    Except for the small percentage of people, we are all assigned our gender by our biology, it is not a choice made by our parents or any doctors. It is not a matter of being allowed to transition or not if a person is old enough to make up their own mind. The age thing seems to be an area of...
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