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  1. Simplelogic

    Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

    Of course men don't spontaneously create anything. Never suggested we did. Righteousness is a human choice to obey the commands of God (which produce righteousness). This is why boasting about being obedient to the law is contrary to the law itself. God is the one who came up with these...
  2. Simplelogic

    Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

    Ok then. Let me clarify. I'm not here to convince you who was speaking for God and who wasn't . The fact is the EVERY other prophet or teacher in the Torah/Tanakh taught the opposite about God then what Paul taught. Even Jesus taught the opposite of what Paul taught. So whether you believe that...
  3. Simplelogic

    Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

    So it is earned. Yet Paul declares that works have nothing to do with justification. And Mormons continue to defend Paul??
  4. Simplelogic

    Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

    This is what Paul says about the law. Not what God says.
  5. Simplelogic

    Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

    Nope. Love is the whole point to the law: "You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might. Deut 6: 5 Now look at who God bestows grace/love upon: but showing gracious love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my...
  6. Simplelogic

    Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

    Not sure your point here.
  7. Simplelogic

    Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

    Thats why God created a thing called repentance. The ability to turn from evil and be accepted by God. See Ezekiel 18.
  8. Simplelogic

    Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

    So when we fail and fall into temptation we can come back to God and repent.
  9. Simplelogic

    Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

    Paul's few pro-obedience/law verses should not be elevated amongst the main theme of his message. Paul was a Jew to the Jew and a Greek to the Greek after all. Here are some clear verses where Paul paints the mutually exclusive concept of faith and works. "Moreover the Law entered that (for...
  10. Simplelogic

    Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

    Did you just say God's word "lacks"??? The mountains refer to "high places" or false idols/temples. Its people worshipping "other gods".
  11. Simplelogic

    Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

    I think there is many good things we instinctively know as humans that aren't taught. I think other things are taught. However we are not accountable for our decisions until we are old enough to know the full difference between good and evil.
  12. Simplelogic

    Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

    16Then those who feared the LORD spoke to one another, and the LORD gave attention and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before Him for those who fear the LORD and who esteem His name.17“They will be Mine,” says the LORD of hosts, “on the day that I prepare My own possession, and I...
  13. Simplelogic

    Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

    This is not true. Humans are born with the capacity to please themselves or others. They can do good or evil.
  14. Simplelogic

    Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

    Yes. Yeshua was exposing pharisees for keeping the lesser commandments while ignoring the "weightier commands" of the Law. Look at the next verse! 23“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the...
  15. Simplelogic

    Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

    Whats God's "lead". Is it not his commandments and precepts?
  16. Simplelogic

    Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

    Thought I should repost this. God literally says here that the one who "does His commandments" is righteous. He also is making it clear here that a man himself earns his own righteousness. 5“But if a man is righteous and practices justice and righteousness, 6and does not eat at the mountain...
  17. Simplelogic

    Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

    I guess that depends on how you define love.
  18. Simplelogic

    Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

    Would love to see a scripture verse that backs this idea up. Righteousness in the Bible is simply someone who follows God's commandments. It is earned.
  19. Simplelogic

    Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

    Thanks for the lively discussion. Until next time.
  20. Simplelogic

    Paul vs "the law" (can humans earn righteousness?)

    Ok…I'm going to bed. Goodnight.
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