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    Christians: Why Trinitarians are really polytheists

    Nice thought, but not biblical. Bible never says God is the actual sacrifice for our sins.
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    Christians: Why Trinitarians are really polytheists

    Two Persons cannot be the same God, Judaic POV. Always and from the time God revealed himself to the patriarchs originally. Even if God CAME to earth as a man or angel this God would of course have the same single mind, will and self-awareness. This is the BASIS of Shema, which states YHWH is...
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    For Jews or Christians: Why Shema means what a Jew says

    Yo dude you gots it goin' on, behoovin' to be groovin' NOW!
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    Christians: Why Trinitarians are really polytheists

    I concede "Father" was the Jesus' own construction in name, of God. No rabbi in that day called YHWH "Father." Until he came to fore. The "Father" is really a veiled but indicative lesser name for God, since they no longer SAID even in their minds, "YHWH." STILL knowing this name is the...
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    For Jews or Christians: Why Shema means what a Jew says

    IF the Son of God is God the Son, THEN "God the Son" would be said at least one time in at least NT, would you not say? More meaning in the same three words. Closer to what you think they actually thought...actually the highest revelation of your heresy and succinct. Unfortunately not ONE TIME...
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    Christians: Why Trinitarians are really polytheists

    Everyone serves some one. Bob Dylan circa 1980's. Maybe you serve youself. Ever thought of that? Don't need no God for that one do you? Lessen you God, oh man.
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    Christians: Why Trinitarians are really polytheists

    But Jesus cannot BE the Father. Locatively NEXT to the Father, just as Stephen's vision portrays. NEXT TO GLORY, standing NEXT TO.
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    Christians: Why Trinitarians are really polytheists

    Not my specs, sir. Judaic POV. And the explanation by the way for the CLOSEST verse which may construe Jesus as God, his claim to be HEN with the Father. Jn 10. Also the CLOSEST anyone else ever came to saying he was God, Thomas Jn 20:28. "My lord and my elohim." Jn 10 actually has Jesus...
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    For Jews or Christians: Why Shema means what a Jew says

    You proved nothing on that thread since only one person responded on that thread and I assume you are not Shiranui117. Too many negative ions, sir? Three hours or 3 minutes, sorry if I insist you stay mental.
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    For Jews or Christians: Why Shema means what a Jew says

    Lesser "lord," sir.
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    For Jews or Christians: Why Shema means what a Jew says

    Not biblical in concept or stated plain text. Son of God, said by Luke to be Adam. "Sons of the most high" said Psalm 82 which was Jesus' own argument to the claim that he "made himself an elohim." These SONS, and Adam too are not God are they?
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    Christians: Why Trinitarians are really polytheists

    Did I say he was a nifty rabbi? I SAID he is elohim under YHWH Elohim, sir. Do you actually know what an elohim is? Michael Heiser, trinitarian scholar, free PDF online, "What is an elohim?" PDF for U, from a PHD.
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    Christians: Why Trinitarians are really polytheists

    Yes he did say no one comes unto the Father except through him, although HIM never said HIM is God, now did him? And your HARD SEPARATION is because Jesus always always always separated himself from his own Father. TWO witnesses said twice in Jn. One himself. One his own God. It isn't...
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    For Jews or Christians: Why Shema means what a Jew says

    Jesus never said he was NOT GOD, since Jewish Default already knows this sir. Your counter-argument from silence is bereft again.
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    For Jews or Christians: Why Shema means what a Jew says

    ....and how many "lords" are actually IN your verse, "the Lord said to my lord," sir? Hint: Paul's "one lord" concept was of the Holy Spirit come in the Paraclete name of "Jesus." One lord on earth. Two lords in Heaven, one over the other one.
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    For Jews or Christians: Why Shema means what a Jew says

    I am familiar with the ONE LORD THEOLOGY of trins, sir. And this is entirely wrong. Why? Since a simple scan of the various uses of KURIOS in the gospels shows different persons being called "lord." 1) mammon is called "lord." 2) Lord of the Fields, Lord of the Vineyard had parable "lords." 3)...
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    For Jews or Christians: Why Shema means what a Jew says

    71 verses have Jesus/lord and God, or Jesus/lord and Father juxtaposed in hierarchy, with NONE of these Jesus/God and God/lord, or Jesus/God and Father/Lord. NEVER reversed. This should tell you of a new meaning for Jesus being LORD, for the disciples and apostles, but nay you will shirk this to...
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    Christians: Why Trinitarians are really polytheists

    Of course the rabbinical interpretation of Gen 1:26 was the WE and US of the angels, or other possible "elohim" in heaven. The thing that modern Christians ignore is that only one ontology is afforded the Great God of us, and all other elohim in the heavens are of LESSER ontology. Are angels...
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    For Jews or Christians: Why Shema means what a Jew says

    Obviously you smudge and smirk over the word ONLY, sir. Only means ONLY, and this even from ancient POV.
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    Christians: Why Trinitarians are really polytheists

    My belief is that the belief of the first two pristine generations of faith, is the true belief. For Christians. And if you are right, then what are we debating here? Why do you debate here? To state everyone has a right to believe what they believe? They already HAD this right before they got...
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