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  1. ThereIsNoSpoon

    The Argument for God(Or Against God) Is Never a Logical One.

    Of course you can disproove things outside of mathematics, just as you can proove them. For example if you have paradoxes you can show that obviously something must be wrong. Of course it can. Mathematics is a DEFINED system. If we had choosen to DEFINE operations differently we could have...
  2. ThereIsNoSpoon

    Does Science/Statistics Prove a Supernatural Intervention?

    No, it only means that you assumed the result we see to be a desired and sole target of a process that started long ago. What do you think for example would happen to your calculation if you just used the chance that "any couple" could produce "any baby" that survives long enough to mate with a...
  3. ThereIsNoSpoon

    Why doesn't God cure amputees?

    ...because its tooooo easy to do that. Everybody would believe in God if he just showed himself to exist. Instead he has choosen to remain hidden so that we need faith. Faith ya know .... that "blind trust".
  4. ThereIsNoSpoon

    A Sufi critique of reason

    What is "gnostic knowledge" supposed to be ? Anyway my 5 cents... Whenever people talk about true wisdom/peace/knowledge coming from abandoning reason i ultimately have the same image in my mind. Two people standing in front of a totally drunken crowd and one asks the other guy: "And you think...
  5. ThereIsNoSpoon

    Logical and Scientific Arguments That Disprove God

    Perhaps we simply do not share the same definition of "relevance". Relevance for me means (similarly to the wikipedia definition) the connection of something to something else is. In other words if (and / or how much) impact it has. A fruit fly IS relevant. It IS connected to this world, its...
  6. ThereIsNoSpoon

    The argument of irrelevance

    This was a very interesting argument and my response actually was also in your post: I will grant you 1 although i do not see any connection to my argument as i mainly was concentrating on things within the universe. Point 2 is the essential one. IF the scriptures make claims about things that...
  7. ThereIsNoSpoon

    The argument of irrelevance

    I didnt say that. Reread my post
  8. ThereIsNoSpoon

    The argument of irrelevance

    Strength is unrelated to truth. And i did not state that reality is subjective i only stated that for us subjective beings it is hard to argue how to get to an objective truth. Thats the reason why for example we do have the scientific method to form some "quasi objective" framework. I also...
  9. ThereIsNoSpoon

    The argument of irrelevance

    Sorry if it sounds harsh, but you make a completely different argument without adressing mine. Could you adress mine and post your argument in a new thread? You could take a short first answer to parts of your argument with you: [/B]The argument fails in the very first premisse by stating an...
  10. ThereIsNoSpoon

    Logical and Scientific Arguments That Disprove God

    In a way thats correct and in another way it is false. The argument claims that nonexistence and irrelevant existence should be considered equal. And then it tries to proove that Gods existence is at least irrelevant and then therefore equal to his nonexistence. Sorry bit that is a fallacious...
  11. ThereIsNoSpoon

    The argument of irrelevance

    Since we all rely on our senses and our brain of course (philosophically and logically) we talk about some form of subjectivity. Hence what we call "objectivity" is mostly the collective sujective data that is in agreement between us (or that we see and hear each other agree with). There is in...
  12. ThereIsNoSpoon

    A good arguement

    Hmmm, what about this one?
  13. ThereIsNoSpoon

    Is "Belief in religion X equals belief in fairy tales" an insult?

    Is this an insult? Is it condescending? Some christians/muslims/jews etc. suggest or claim it is. If so why ? Why is it an insult to state for example that belief in christianity is no different (from an evidence based perspective) than belief in unicorns, or fairies?
  14. ThereIsNoSpoon

    Ravi's Argument for God (The Atheists Nightmare)

    I am sorry but i fail to see what supposedly is so convincing? Point 1 more or less the idea that the explanation for the "cause" of the universe would have to lie outside of it. Although i think this would not have to be that way we could take it for granted for the sake of the argument...
  15. ThereIsNoSpoon

    Logical and Scientific Arguments That Disprove God

    I still think the argument of irrelevance is the strongest, at least on a wide scale of possible definitions of "God"
  16. ThereIsNoSpoon

    The argument of irrelevance

    I find it somewhat disapointing that there have not been so many replies till now. If the argument is so silly i would expect a good argument against it. If it is so good then i would expect people to agree.
  17. ThereIsNoSpoon

    Premarital Sex vs. Homosexuality

    Your reply strikes me as a bit odd and wronly formulated (no offense intended) I think you should reread the post that i answered to.
  18. ThereIsNoSpoon

    Should secular societies allow Sharia Law?

    I have to disagree with you partially. I agree that people do not rise up to injustices in arab countries for example. But i disagree when it comes to blaming all on their inability or lack of will to fight for human rights. The problem lies deeper. For example in the fact that many there do not...
  19. ThereIsNoSpoon

    Should secular societies allow Sharia Law?

    Let me enter the stage here badran. I think you make a fundamental mistake. You assume that the ruling is good and humans "only fail" to act properly because of what you call corruption. That viewpoint in my view is a wrong one EVEN if it were true. For humans allways will fail now and then...
  20. ThereIsNoSpoon

    Premarital Sex vs. Homosexuality

    We do have some good ideas what happened to the dinosaurs. Can be read about in science books.
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