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  1. JasAnMa

    Evidence For And Against Evolution

    Please take me at what I'm saying and don't read into it as me lining you up for something. I should've done this earlier...I think it's foolish to argue any point until both parties know exactly where the other stands. Ok, so the singularity isn't an event... What would the proper term for that...
  2. JasAnMa

    Evidence For And Against Evolution

    Ok, so in no space/time, there was suddenly with no cause, an event that simultaneously produced the Continuum and the laws that govern those properties? I want to make sure we're on the same page then I will proceed with this line of thought.
  3. JasAnMa

    Evidence For And Against Evolution

    If you can look around the Earth at the devastating events like earthquakes, floods, tsunamis, and hurricanes and still assume they play no significant role in geological processes... That seems more magical than the proposal that they do. Einsteins theory says mass and energy are the same...
  4. JasAnMa

    Evidence For And Against Evolution

    Ok let's try again. 1. Matter cannot be created or destroyed. 2. Total entropy in a closed system can never decrease. Now if you believe the universe was created, since it is a closed system, you run into the first law. If it is eternal then by now all the energy would have been uniformly...
  5. JasAnMa

    Evidence For And Against Evolution

    I would love for proof that ordered spheres are actually produced. It's assumed they do since there are planets but that in no way proves gravity made all planets and stars.... All that means is gravity holds them together. If I'm wrong then there should be an example demonstrating this behind...
  6. JasAnMa

    Evidence For And Against Evolution

    1: An example that any law of nature creates order from chaos. 2: all things move toward entropy and away from order. Entropy can be brought toward order only when the right information is added.
  7. JasAnMa

    Evidence For And Against Evolution

    Just because they make things happen does not mean they bring order from chaos... When a plate near the ocean drops it causes a tsunami that forces anything in it's way... Out of the way. It made a lot happen but it didn't bring order. The laws themselves cant bring about order. I'm not sure how...
  8. JasAnMa

    Evidence For And Against Evolution

    They either had a beginning, or they are eternal. If they had a beginning it's hard to imagine they came about on their own. They are forces that produce observable effects but they have no mind or will. Without the presence of a Creator they were made by a random force and thus would be...
  9. JasAnMa

    Evidence For And Against Evolution

    It's a bad argument to go against the idea that geological processes have been at least close to the same food millions of years? That's a huge assumption. And I do realize that there was Ash in the deposit below the volcano, there were many other sediments as well and they were deposited...
  10. JasAnMa

    Evidence For And Against Evolution

    He asked if I thought geologists were so incompetent that they couldn't tell the difference between annual layers and Ash layers. I never said nor argued that. I do however believe they have no way of knowing for sure that all layers they see as annual layers, actually are annual layers. That's...
  11. JasAnMa

    Evidence For And Against Evolution

    I guess my next question would be, how did the laws originate. I assume since they are physical laws they have a beginning. If those laws don't come into existence randomly, you need a mechanism that forms them. If I'm correct in that assessment, what is their origin outside of randomness.
  12. JasAnMa

    Evidence For And Against Evolution

    Not at all, I'm confident they can do much better than that. I'm talking about actual sedimentary layers, laid down within days in the valley below.
  13. JasAnMa

    Evidence For And Against Evolution

    Your describing the effect of a force on an object. If it weren't random we'd expect to see the exact snow flake every time, as it happens that's not what we see. Objects formed by a specific force is not the same thing as order from chaos. There's no fallacy there, I believe my argument holds...
  14. JasAnMa

    Evidence For And Against Evolution

    Your actually making my point for me. Order never comes from chaos without information added. Why I'm the world would nature and the universe be different? To say laws or constants come from randomness goes against everything we observe in life. The laws of thermodynamics state this. You can try...
  15. JasAnMa

    Evidence For And Against Evolution

    According to mt saint Helen's, sedimentary layers are very easily formed rapidly. The hidden assumtion that annual layers have been laid down at exactly the same rate for billions of years is quite a rocky footing ya stands on.
  16. JasAnMa

    Evidence For And Against Evolution

    The word make was the point. If something is made, it must be compelled to do so since making or bringing something to a different form are both actions. Now this action has to come from either in the thing made, or outside of the thing made. Being made from the inside is impossible since a...
  17. JasAnMa

    Evidence For And Against Evolution

    That's quite remarkable. How could we "know" how old anything was before carbon dating. It's quite fishy that millions of years were asserted before before we had any way of knowing... Let alone proven.
  18. JasAnMa

    Evidence For And Against Evolution

    I don't see how evening, morning, and day 1 can be assumed symbolic. The whole book of Genesis is recorded history... Why would chapter 1 be different. Hebrew symbols and poetry can be found in Psalms and none of the chapters resemble Genesis in the least... Grammatically speaking.
  19. JasAnMa

    Boy, These Days Evolution Just Can't Seem To Catch A Break

    It actually does, that was how the Israeli nation was founded but the Hebrews wanted a king so God obliged.
  20. JasAnMa

    Boy, These Days Evolution Just Can't Seem To Catch A Break

    Seems like your arguing two separate ideas. Please correct me if I'm wrong, and I in no way mean that sarcastically, but proclaiming Christianity as a political tactic while simultaneously fearing the nation be a Christian nation seem contrary. Most of the people at that time were equally...
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