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  1. sam ex muslim

    Argument by performance: God Has no Messengers

    I just want to share something interesting. An Iraqi Historian and Archeologist who studies the history of religions, named Khazaal Al-Majedi published few interesting books on the origin of religions and Ancient Hebrew Prophets. Some of the interesting observations he made are like that: Human...
  2. sam ex muslim

    Argument by performance: God Has no Messengers

    You said (You do not know and you are not God). That is a sign of being humble. Fair enough I am happy with that response.
  3. sam ex muslim

    Argument by performance: God Has no Messengers

    Hhmmm I need to meditate on that.
  4. sam ex muslim

    Argument by performance: God Has no Messengers

    Thank you. I might try that in the future.
  5. sam ex muslim

    Argument by performance: God Has no Messengers

    Part Four This is the genealogy of Mohammed up to one of his 13th grandfather Kenanah Mohammed Abdullah 1.Abdulmutalib 2.Hashem 3.AbdManaf 4.Qusai 5.Kelab 6.Murrah 7.Kaab 8.Loai: Born at Jesus Christ Period. 9.Ghalib 10.Feher 11.Malik 12.Alnader 13.Kenanah: He named one of his son AbdManat...
  6. sam ex muslim

    Argument by performance: God Has no Messengers

    So here we go again. I will repeat myself. I am newbe to this forum or any forum, So I can not quote each paragraph. I will try address these points in a rightful way to the best of my abilities. Part one 124,000 or 1 Billion. It is just claim from your narrated sources. Can not be proven since...
  7. sam ex muslim

    Argument by performance: God Has no Messengers

    I am newbe to forums so I actually do not know how to Quote each paragraph, so I will try my best to quote you in a rightful way. Part One (limitation of narration, time, space, target) I am aware that Judaism is an ethnic religion concern Beni Yisrael like many ancient religions/Spiritual...
  8. sam ex muslim

    Argument by performance: God Has no Messengers

    I guess there are people who are happy to live with bed time stories and there are people who strive towards Ein Sof with real experience. What ever makes them happy, I think Divinity is never in hurry.
  9. sam ex muslim

    Argument by performance: God Has no Messengers

    Your first statement can be refuted, in the following points: 1) The quality of a test reflects the quality of the person who made it. What kind of waste of time to make such great efforts to create heaven and earth yet fail miserably in delivering sporadic messengers without good knowledge of...
  10. sam ex muslim

    Argument by performance: God Has no Messengers

    Good, let me see if I can make it interesting. Firstly, I think muslims are trying to mute the voice of Bahaai people since its beginning which is not fair, but I am not surprised. So I kindly request from your people to speak up and take your position among the Abrahamic religions. An example...
  11. sam ex muslim

    Argument by performance: God Has no Messengers

    I have posted this answer for another person but I think it would serve the same reasoning. let me try to break down your statement to better understand and respond; You claim God (The supreme being which created the Universe and complex Genes of all living beings) made the following: 1...
  12. sam ex muslim

    Argument by performance: God Has no Messengers

    In my post I had to accommodate 3 religions namely Judaism, Christianity and Islam. This was shorter but more challenging approach than addressing each one of them individually. Yet I think many points are still valid, so let me clarify. First- God only sent prophets to Israel. The...
  13. sam ex muslim

    Argument by performance: God Has no Messengers

    I have posted this answer for another person but I think it would service the same reasoning. let me try to break down your statement to better understand and respond; You claim God (The supreme being which created the Universe and complex Genes of all living beings) made the following: 1...
  14. sam ex muslim

    Argument by performance: God Has no Messengers

    let me try to break down your statement to better understand and respond; You claim God (The supreme being which created the Universe and complex Genes of all living beings) made the following: 1. (Limitations in time, space and target) God gave his message by his own VOICE to a group people...
  15. sam ex muslim

    Argument by performance: God Has no Messengers

    Nice. I agree.
  16. sam ex muslim

    Argument by performance: God Has no Messengers

    Wow, That is beautiful. I think you are reading my mind.
  17. sam ex muslim

    Argument by performance: God Has no Messengers

    If I have misunderstood your post. apology just ignore my previous comments. Scholars of Abrahamic religions assume that since God created humans, he must have a purpose or a message for them, which makes the messengers a necessity to deliver such message. In my post I am trying to argue that...
  18. sam ex muslim

    Argument by performance: God Has no Messengers

    Let us presume God had Intentions just like we humans have intentions, so according to Abrahamic religion, he sent messengers in the way I already described in my original post. Can you not see the mis-match of his performance in creation vs his performance in sending a messengers ? Assume you...
  19. sam ex muslim

    Argument by performance: God Has no Messengers

    Are you referring to Mohammed ? Because I am sure he wants your head to be chopped off for not following him. If not Mohammed then which prophets are you talking about ? Is your definition of prophet enlightened beings or the Abrahamic religion types ?
  20. sam ex muslim

    Argument by performance: God Has no Messengers

    In the context of Abrahamic religion, religion was delivered through a particular human messenger and not through the book of nature nor through our individual human consciences. Enlightened individuals have done great service to themselves. The question is when will you seek the path of...
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