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  1. amazing grace

    What Trinitarian churches teach about the Trinity

    I understand what you everything you are saying and basically I agree with you. I really don't know why you want to "nit pik" my posts. Scripture speaks of "man's spirit", "spirit of man" which is NOT the Spirit given at the new birth. The breath that God breathed into Adam's body and Adam...
  2. amazing grace

    What Trinitarian churches teach about the Trinity

    My body is animated by my mind and spirit - my body is active because I have a mind and spirit. None of these components that a person is comprised of can live independently of one another. For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
  3. amazing grace

    What Trinitarian churches teach about the Trinity

    I understand that man is comprised of spirit and soul and body as it says in 2 Thess. 2:12 - Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Those components are what make a human...
  4. amazing grace

    What Trinitarian churches teach about the Trinity

    Being a non-trinitarian myself, I honestly don't think most non-Trinitarians fall into a category of "ignore it when you can't understand it." I believe it is God's will for us to know Him and his Son Jesus Christ - that's not saying that we truly understand everything but we must know them in...
  5. amazing grace

    What Trinitarian churches teach about the Trinity

    If we are not told we must be able to understand it, then why are people who don't believe in the Trinity Doctrine often labeled as a "heretic"? Actually, both usages of distinct are adjectives - one meaning apparent, obvious (syn: definite, noticeable, recognizable, specific, unmistakable) and...
  6. amazing grace

    What Trinitarian churches teach about the Trinity

    "Yes, there is a distinction." In the English language, distinct is a synonym for separate and separate is a synonym for distinct - a synonym is a word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another word or phrase in the same language. "man is a triune being - spirit, soul, and...
  7. amazing grace

    What Trinitarian churches teach about the Trinity

    We all know that the Father and the Son are not the same person. But here's the thing - How can they NOT be the same person if each is God and God is ONE? Distinct NOT separate - "There is a distinction between those two words, in the theology of the Trinity." In the English language...
  8. amazing grace

    What Trinitarian churches teach about the Trinity

    The Apostles' Creed does not indicate nor mention the idea of "God as a Trinity --- three persons in one: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. God who is one, is revealed in three distinct persons." THE APOSTLES'S CREED: I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, and in...
  9. amazing grace

    My thoughts about why people say that Jesus is not God

    I was only using the diagram as an example of Trinitarian theology/doctrine.
  10. amazing grace

    My thoughts about why people say that Jesus is not God

    I am taking this to mean the first paragraph? Thank you. My second paragraph is also correct- yet must be interpreted correctly? How is it correct if I did not interpret it correctly? Correct we, as born again believers, are baptized into the one body of Christ and as such we are partakers of...
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    My thoughts about why people say that Jesus is not God

    Yes, God was IN Christ and the Father (God) AND Jesus will dwell IN those who believe in Jesus Christ through the message left by the disciples. Now if I am trinitarian, I read into John 10:30 as saying "Jesus is God because they are one." And following that same logic - then all who believe in...
  12. amazing grace

    My thoughts about why people say that Jesus is not God

    Yes, human beings are comprised of body soul and spirit - Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ - meaning a complete person is comprised of a body, soul, and spirit. But my...
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    My thoughts about why people say that Jesus is not God

    Why I do not believe Jesus is God: Scriptures do not claim that Jesus is God. The disciples did not teach Jesus was God. Jesus did not teach that he was God. It's true that Jesus and God are NOT the same person - God is Spirit and Jesus was a human being who was filled with the Spirit of God...
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    Proof of Pre-Existence

    Yes, I understand what pre-existence" means in relation to Jesus . . . what was he before he existed? What was he before he came to be? Was he God? Was he Yahweh? I don't know if we are TOLD that Jesus lived before becoming a man - I do know that Jesus had an origin, his beginning, his genesis...
  15. amazing grace

    Proof of Pre-Existence

    But isn't that what the whole concept of "pre-existence", i.e. before existence? Where does scripture say what Jesus was before he "became human", i.e. "came into existence in his mother's womb"? All prophecy concerning the coming Messiah was in God's foreknowledge, i.e. God's plan for the...
  16. amazing grace

    Proof of Pre-Existence

    Yep, we believe differently. Happy Easter to you as well!
  17. amazing grace

    Proof of Pre-Existence

    Jesus never was Almighty God, the Most High God. Christ is now ascended to the right hand of God in heaven and even in heaven as throughout his life he has a God, and that God is his Father.
  18. amazing grace

    Proof of Pre-Existence

    God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. (I am what I am, or I will be what I will be) And he said, "Say this to the people of Israel: "I AM has sent me to you." God also said to Moses, "Say this to the people of Israel: Yahweh (the LORD), the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac...
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    Proof of Pre-Existence

    Well, I see that you also did not answer the question that I put forth - To exist is to have objective reality or being, be living, have life - so how does something or someone exist before they actually exist - one can be before they are? Instead of answering the question I put forth you...
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    Proof of Pre-Existence

    How is the premise of my question false? If the question is, did Jesus personally and consciously exist with God in Heaven before his miraculous conception? or Was the Son of God personally alive before he was conceived in Mary before he became a human being? - then my question is relative...
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