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These avataras are manifestations of Brahman; they are Saguna Brahman. They're not separate from it.
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“Hindus fall because they worship lesser gods.” Abrahamics are trampling Hindus. Can you help me understand?
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These avataras are manifestations of Brahman; they are Saguna Brahman. They're not separate from it.
This doesn't answer the question. Even if I asked how many instead of which ones, it still doesn't answer the question.
I was looking for specific people.
River Sea
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Abrahamic Religion
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Your point about the conquest of land of Canaan by Jews laying their foundations is correct. However, hindus fall because they worship lesser gods than brahman.
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On the contrary, fall begins the moment one thinks “aham brahmāsmī”. The pursuit of perfection dies. The self-deception that I am already perfect begins. Endeavor is replaced by complacency because perfection cannot be improved. Humility and service go out of the window and a deep-seated arrogance of one’s supremacy replaces it. Every kind of mediocrity and every kind of excellence is rejected as a worldly illusion. The mediocre are elevated to the status of the excellent, destroying the basis of meritocracy. The self-deceiving people coin terms such as Daridra-Narayana. The poor man struggling to survive is called Narayana, the husband of Lakshmi and the Lord of Vaikuntha. When one replaces Narayana with himself, he gets neither Lakshmi nor Vaikuntha. To satisfy his false ego, he can keep calling himself Narayana. But every crook from every part of the world will come to smash his false ego and he can do nothing but watch it helplessly and repeat to himself: “aham brahmāsmī”.
My response:
step one read.
step two add words I don't know.
New vocabulary aham brahmasmi, Daridra-Narayana, Narayana, Vaikuntha, meritocracy, Lakshmi, (many redlines claiming misspelled, so I need to add these words to dictionary so redline will go away) got it I'll do that now.
Step three look up words
aham brahmasmi
Ahaṁ Brahmāsmi then means "I am the Absolute" or "My identity is cosmic", but can also be translated as "you are part of god just like any other element".
Mahāvākyas - Wikipedia
what is Mahavakyas? I'm not yet going to look that up
This is how far I gotten in this. Reading., I yet will be looking up those words so at least know what was written so I can respond.
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It's one of the Mahavakyas. It translates to "I am Brahman."
You can translate it as "you are part of god just like any other element", but you'd be wrong.
Let's please not make up translations to fit your agenda.
If we fall, whatever that means, it's probably because we are too busy simping toward the religious groups that look down on us.
River Sea
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@SalixIncendium what is my agenda? Is learning ok?
Learning is fine, so long as you are not accepting or communicating misinformation such as mistranslating one of the Mahavakyas. Not only would you be learning the wrong information, but in the same keystrokes, you would be misinforming others.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
So, does the person who wrote this accepts that there are more Gods than one?
Thanks, we are so many that we do not keep a count. Before long, we will be 1.5 billion. That is OK with us. We now have some 150 nuclear war-heads and MIRV (Multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicle) ICBM missiles (Agni-V - Wikipedia - they can carry up to 10 at a time) with a range of 7,000 kms (Wikipedia again). We have an army of 1,237,117 active troops and 960,000 reserves (this time Google Search, wow, exact numbers). It is the fourth strongest army in the world (2024 Military Strength Ranking: India has 4th strongest military in world, US claims top spot again | India News - Times of India).
Thanks for your concern, but do not worry about us.
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Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
Absolutely agree. But there may be some difference between the quality or quantity between the manifested and the manifested. Thx for your comment. For me this is a serious question.
River Sea
Well-Known Member
I am not a Christian because at Biologos forum many Christians claims I'm a dog who return to vomit. I wrote Allah a few times and so these few Christians at this forum claims I'm a Muslim. I'm not a Muslim. Many Christians claims I'm a goat that God will turn away after I physically pass away.
Why oh why @Bharat Jhunjhunwala you wanted me to inform them I'm a Christian why
You don't know me @Bharat Jhunjhunwala
My mom was only hurting when she placed her hand on my chest and forum the word friend with her lips
Christians rejects this because my mom said friend and not father.
My mom told me this as she believed the medical doctors to sign me to an institution, because I will never be able to write, speak, communicate, no language, my mom didn't know how to reach me so she used the word friend, she wanted me to have a friend live in me, to comfort me
my mom didn't sign me away because she screamed if I have to I'll live under a bridge with me as I'm 3 years old
so she didn't sign those papers.
at biologos forum as i told them this the few there explain my mom given me satan
because how do I know they would say, as satan is false light
I would call God who lives in me light
I saw somewhere Allah light
so I wrote Allah
I over came, and I can speak type communicate, but to these few Christians at biologos that wasn't a miracle
This is the verse they told me "As a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool repeats his folly" Proverbs 26:11
Also I was told I'm a dead horse who returns for abuse
Why oh why @Bharat Jhunjhunwala you wanted me to inform them I'm a Christian why
You don't know me @Bharat Jhunjhunwala
My mom was only hurting when she placed her hand on my chest and forum the word friend with her lips
Christians rejects this because my mom said friend and not father.
My mom told me this as she believed the medical doctors to sign me to an institution, because I will never be able to write, speak, communicate, no language, my mom didn't know how to reach me so she used the word friend, she wanted me to have a friend live in me, to comfort me
my mom didn't sign me away because she screamed if I have to I'll live under a bridge with me as I'm 3 years old
so she didn't sign those papers.
at biologos forum as i told them this the few there explain my mom given me satan
because how do I know they would say, as satan is false light
I would call God who lives in me light
I saw somewhere Allah light
so I wrote Allah
I over came, and I can speak type communicate, but to these few Christians at biologos that wasn't a miracle
This is the verse they told me "As a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool repeats his folly" Proverbs 26:11
Also I was told I'm a dead horse who returns for abuse
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Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
Leave them alone. Move on. Christianity is in decline because of them.
River Sea
Well-Known Member
Do you @Bharat Jhunjhunwala think everyone is a Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, all at once, that's the only thing I could think of what your explaining to me. I'm into reincarnation, my mom was just in a crises when she wanted a comforter for me. she said friend. How do I interpret the word friend to what religion, so I just claim I have similarities to all religions. I agree one.Brahman that I agree with.
So is that what you mean @Bharat Jhunjhunwala is claiming we're all the religions, So we all can claim I'm a Christian, I'm a Muslim, I'm a Hindu, I'm a Jew. all at the same time. Maybe that's what @Bharat Jhunjhunwala means, if I'm wrong please correct me
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River Sea
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@Aupmanyav you asked?
So, does the person who wrote this accepts that there are more Gods than one?
In referring to
“Hindus fall because they worship lesser gods.” Abrahamics are trampling Hindus. Can you help me understand?
This came from here to get an idea. I then continue this topic here in this thread. Abrahamic Religion
My response is that people are gods, so in that sense, there's more than one god; however, we're all one, not separated. I'm understanding reincarnation.
The article you shared: I'll explain my thoughts further below this article.
2024 Military Strength Ranking: India has 4th strongest military in world, US claims top spot again | India News - Times of India
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2024 Military Strength Ranking: India has 4th strongest military in world, US claims top spot again | India News - Times of India
India News: The United States has the most powerful military in the world, according to the Global Firepower rankings 2024. Find out the rankings of other countries and factors considered in the assessment.
timesofindia.indiatimes.com
I do not understand everything about the earth. I think this is a program by the programmers; this is a tough one because it's destruction using weapons. I'm not alone in thinking of earth as a matrix; however, I think earth is a concave cell, and maybe there's more cells out there; actually, @Yokefellow explains it better than me, as I'm not alone in the matrix theory; however, I'm sure there can be different matrix types of ideas. It'll be interesting if there's a debate on the differences.
I wish I could reference this, showing how a fire was horrific yet it was safe. There was a fire behind a short wall that made it appear from a distance to be a huge fire, but actually that fire contained no damage; however, from afar, it appeared to have caused a lot of damage and was breaking news. If I ever find that video, I'll share it and time stamp it.
But I couldn't help but wonder, "If" how many times the cameras capture and situations appear more than what they are? Has that ever happened in war? It appears more horrific from afar, as we can't see where it's contained closer up.
India is fourth in weapons, and Pakistan is ninth in weapons.
Would India try to get their land back, because more stronger then Pakistan?
What causes people to have wars, is it people as gods or actually it'll be lesser gods, or also a jealousy gods
However, these gods are taking orders from gods that I'll show further down. That's why I ask what happens when saying no to the programmers. Even the people further up, what happens if they say no? So there's a trap to keep going. Or can say no and find a way. Some people say no and find ways, yet that system still continues.
So when will India get Pakistan's land back? But then maybe that's too difficult or
How does one even do anything on earth? Why change the borders? Because it affects people. What's the purpose of borders? What would happen if people didn't create borders?
I think AI Robots or what ever name will be in the slave area and the slaves will move up. So no more slaves. Unless if someone wants to do that area. Money was printed to keep the slaves thinking they're free or some countries people didn't believe their free but Layal. I'm not sure why some countries such as North Korea as an example will be lesser currency. When I look at this I'm thinking global, not only America. There's a Pyramid in Egypt too and on the dollar too. But how come on the dollar for, maybe @Yokefellow can explain that.
Take a look where religion is. Extremely low on that Pyramid.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
There is ONE GOD named BRAHMAN, ELOHOIM OR ALLAH. Then there are lesser gods like brahma...
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
That is the same as my view (non-dual Hinduism). Since at the time of expansion of the universe, it contained nothing other than plasma, all the things that exist today are plasma only. Not just people, but all living and non-living things. Non-dual Hinduism does not accept the existence of God.
IMHO, Brahman is not a God, but plasma. Nothing else exists in the universe.
Tamino
Active Member
1. Egyptian deities are, in general, not jealous. There are no myths or allusions on this topic. Egyptian deities might sometimes be in conflict with each other, but those conflicts are usually Metaphors on natural phenomena or social dynamics. (Conflict of Horus and Seth, for example, is all about kingship, inheritance, and generational renewal).
2. How would you define "lesser god"?
In terms of the powers ascribed to them (is a god imagined to be omnipotent or not...)?
Their position in a hierarchy, as in whether they are titled as the "king of gods" or "queen of heaven"?
Their historical importance (where are they worshipped, how long, how many followers...)?
3. Humans are naturally clumsy sometimes. I assume that a great number of ancient Egyptian people ended up lying flat on the floor because they tripped over something.
To answer your actual question: there is a gesture of bowing to a superior that is pretty close to lying down. It's usually described as "seni ta" in text: "smelling the earth" .
Looks like this:
joelr
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Allah and Yahweh are the same.
Jesus, Agustine, Boethius Anslem, Aquinas, all defined the modern ideas about Yahweh through Greco-Roman moral philosophy and theology which was lost to Western scholars during Middle Ages. The Islamic theologians, mostly Al-Ghazali, use the same philosophy and adopt it as their own ideas for Allah. Allah is just "God" in Arabic.
There are some similarities in Islamic theology with Hinduism and mysticism related to mind and consciousness. Hinduism takes consciousness further in Advaita Vedanta saying Brahman is pure consciousness and the world has no separate existence apart from Brahman where Allah is more of a separate being.
stvdv
Veteran Member
Makes sense to me
It doesn't claim "all Hindus fall"
1500 million Hindus we have now
Would need a miracle if 0 fall
And of course this apllies to Muslims, Christians, Jews, Bahais...
stvdv
Veteran Member
Makes sense to me
It doesn't claim "all Hindus fall"
1500 million Hindus we have now
Would need a miracle if 0 fall
And of course this falling apllies to Muslims, Christians, Jews, Bahais
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
Agree. My reading is that the philosophy of advaita has been turned to indicate negation of material world. The best minds went for meditation rather than fighting in the world. Tagore sang songs in praise of king george who was killing the hindus. Hence the decline of hinduism.