‘The Son of God is Jesus; The Father of God is …’. Can someone fill in the missing word?

[stanberger]

I Am intrigued as to the answer to this question that has been puzzling Trinitarians since forever:

• The Son of God is said to be Jesus
• The Spirit of God is said to be the Holy Spirit

But no one every completes the tri-person one-God with:

• The Father of God is said to be!

So, just who is the Father of God?

I don’t mean that God has a Father… I’m asking Trinitarians to show how or why they are happy to claim that all three persons are OF GOD and happily make statements that include ‘Son OF GOD’ and ‘Holy Spirit OF GOD’ but never ever make a statement that includes ‘Father OF GOD’?

And since Jesus refers to his [spiritual] Father as ‘God’ then does it not make sense then that this is why there is no ‘Father of God’ (because the Father IS GOD).

In addition, the Spirit of the Father is also the Spirit of God… because the Father IS GOD, therefore it is right that since the Father is holy, his Spirit is also holy and this ‘Holy Spirit’.

Hence we get the following:

• Holy Spirit of ———>GOD
• Son of ————> GOD
• Father (of ———>) is GOD

Comments please relating to the answer to this deeply puzzling question.

 

[stanberger]

the trinity doctrine was voted on at nicea 325ad but continued to evolve at other councils and Holy Spirit inserted as god at Constantinople council 481. clearly man made doctrine as Jesus never taught it

 

[Triumph]

the trinity doctrine was voted on at nicea 325ad but continued to evolve at other councils and Holy Spirit inserted as god at Constantinople council 481. clearly man made doctrine as Jesus never taught it

Correct, Jesus never taught it. Jesus did teach against killing anyone to please God but the Jews hated that new doctrine that Jesus taught and would not obey it.

 

[stanberger]

Correct, Jesus never taught it. Jesus did teach against killing anyone to please God but the Jews hated that new doctrine that Jesus taught and would not obey it.

have you read Luke gospels ? Jesus "let he without sword go sell his cloaks and buy one. kill my deniers ' inquistioneyrs. conquistadors. crusaders took Jesus order to heart

 

[Triumph]

have you read Luke gospels ? Jesus "let he without sword go sell his cloaks and buy one. kill my deniers ' inquistioneyrs. conquistadors. crusaders took Jesus order to heart

Jesus allowed self defense but note he did not want heavy armament, a few swords were enough, and disallowed first strike as he reprimanded Peter for cutting off the Jews ear. Avoiding conflict was desired.
Jesus did not want war and allowed himself to be killed to prevent one and thus fulfil the Commandment from God to not kill.
Crusaders refused to fulfill the command of God to not kill.
Self defense is stay in your homeland, defend your family, not go to another persons' homeland to kill them with first strike.
Jesus never said kill my deniers or kill anyone. Jesus did say love your enemy. People do not kill those they love with compassion and mercy.
James 2:11
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jesus is the son of God that said this
John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."
Jesus is not the Son of Man and questions why people call him that because his gospel is Jesus Christ is not a son of David.
A son of David/Abraham is the Son of Man and he comes like a thief in the night to kill and destroy.
Jesus warns what to do, run and hide in the mountains and that is because radiation does not penetrate thick dirt or stone.
The killer does not warn how to not be killed by the killer.

 

[stanberger]

Jesus allowed self defense but note he did not want heavy armament, a few swords were enough, and disallowed first strike as he reprimanded Peter for cutting off the Jews ear. Avoiding conflict was desired.
Jesus did not want war and allowed himself to be killed to prevent one and thus fulfil the Commandment from God to not kill.
Crusaders refused to fulfill the command of God to not kill.
Self defense is stay in your homeland, defend your family, not go to another persons' homeland to kill them with first strike.
Jesus never said kill my deniers or kill anyone. Jesus did say love your enemy. People do not kill those they love with compassion and mercy.
James 2:11
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jesus is the son of God that said this
John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."
Jesus is not the Son of Man and questions why people call him that because his gospel is Jesus Christ is not a son of David.
A son of David/Abraham is the Son of Man and he comes like a thief in the night to kill and destroy.
Jesus warns what to do, run and hide in the mountains and that is because radiation does not penetrate thick dirt or stone.
The killer does not warn how to not be killed by the killer.

 

[stanberger]

plethora of evidence that Jesus was no prince of peace and abrogated his early peaceful verses with verses of hate and violence after he was rejected ....1. attacked rabbis in temple with a whip made of chord. 2 cursed gentiles as 'dogs ' cursed pharisees as ' children of the devil ' in Luke Jesus ' go buy swords kill my deniers ' sorry mate you've been hoodwinked

 

[Triumph]

plethora of evidence that Jesus was no prince of peace and abrogated his early peaceful verses with verses of hate and violence after he was rejected ....1. attacked rabbis in temple with a whip made of chord. 2 cursed gentiles as 'dogs ' cursed pharisees as ' children of the devil ' in Luke Jesus ' go buy swords kill my deniers ' sorry mate you've been hoodwinked

Jesus never killed anyone, the men he whipped were killing poor people because the poor could not pay to not be killed like the rich could. Jesus taught the temple many times God did not accept blood sacrifice for sin and God does not accept paying money to remove sin. Jesus told them they made a house of God into a house of commerce, a market place of death. Jesus called Pharisees liars, robbers and thieves. They were children of the devil, they killed a poor man for the "crime" of picking up sticks. They demanded war and demanded the death of innocent people like Jesus that told them the truth. They are not the people of God.

Understand Jesus taught in symbols, wine= blood= religion/doctrine, a fig tree is Israel, and a dog is a person that will obey the orders of his master/leader without caring if the order is evil or good as long as he is paid for it. Jesus wanted people to care about the truth and to care about the lives of other people and not kill just because someone else tells them to kill willing to pay for it. Jesus taught to treat other people in the way you want to be treated, with kindness and mercy.
Matthew 7:6
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."
Jesus is telling his disciples that paid killers (dogs) are not going to listen to peaceful doctrine nor will they want to join a religion that will not make them money.
Swine is a symbolic word used for greedy bankers that have unfair lending laws and a pearl is the money a person has earned. Jesus said do not do business with greedy men to support their refusal to treat people equally and their desire to make money that does not belong to them with high interest rates.
One of the Mosiac laws claim Jews do not have to pay interest for loaned money but everyone else does. Try to associate with swine is futile because they are willing to destroy people with their greed and so will the paid killers, the dogs.

I read the King James Bible and " kill my deniers" is not in Luke.

 

[Soapy]

Are we still debating the thread topic?

 

[Triumph]

Are we still debating the thread topic?

The topic is God and His Son Jesus ? Or not?
Realize, God is not Lord God.
Lord God took control of Earth away from God in the beginning with a fake talking snake story.
The creation story outline God provides ends in Gen 2:4. Finished.
Then the devil Abraham takes control of Earth with his invented Lord God Abraham created to exalt himself to a throne. Abraham just handed that Lord God crown down to his bloodline sons so they continued the stories as Lord God to keep themselves believed by the people as chosen by God when they never were.
There is only one God and God created Abraham but Abraham never worshipped the God that created him. Abraham worshipped the fact he was smart enough to trick people with guile to exalt himself above all other men to the station of a God. What Abraham wanted, he had scribes write Lord God wanted.

 

[Triumph]

There are two uses of the word ‘Spirit’ in the scriptures:

1. The primary use is that of the active force and intelligence - the intelligent power - of a being
2. Another use is that of the immaterial personage

Therefore God, who is Spirit (2), has a Spirit (1).

Going by your incorrect terminology you would have God being Angels, Satan, Demons, Humans, animals… in fact: everything since every sentient and none inanimate entity has a spirit.

Notice that saying ‘God is Spirit’ is wisely followed by ‘God is the Father of Spirits’. And we know from scriptures that God ‘GIVES’ His Spirit to mankind.

This ‘giving’ is not a physical loaning. God is not ‘without’ His Spirit (1) in any manner. It means that the spirit (1) is infused with the spirit (1) of the person in whom it is given. Human spirit (1) is weak by default because of lack of Faith - and by the wisdom of God. Jesus came and showed us how he, being filled with the fullness of the spirit (1) of God, can do great things by being so filled. His Spirit (1) being one with the spirit (1) of the Father. This is the error many Trinitarians claim in saying that Jesus SHARED the Holy Spirit (1) of God…. Being of one mind (one Spirit(1)) is not SHARING… and it does not BELONG to Jesus. … Jesus made it absolutely clear to the disciples that he was DELIVERING the Holy Spirit (1) as a GIFT from the Father:

• “But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.” (John 14:26)
• “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me.” (John 15:26)
• “On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised [Holy Spirit at Pentecost], which you have heard me speak about.” (Acts 1:4)
• “Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.” (James 1:17)

(p.s. Just for the record and completeness, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GHOST!!! The use of this misinterpreted word comes from the dark ages when people believed that the SPIRITS of dead souls would roam the physical world causing havoc and foretelling the future or more likely simply scaring people when the simple explanation of a white floating ‘thing’ that made weird groaning noises was that of mist by the river along with night noises or creaking floor boards and timber etc in a house along with moonlight and shadows from the moonlight, lamps or reflections of some kind…. And peoples drama-filled imagination and machinations!)

The advocate= publicly recommend or support Holy Spirit is the BIBLE
Without it we would not know God or the Son of God.

 

[Muffled]

That is easy to understand if one first tell:
Who is the wife of Pauline-Christianity's Father-God, this is key to understand that, please?
Right?

Regards

I believe I am.

 

[Muffled]

Is there a verse in the scriptures detailing ‘God the Son’?

Is there a verse in the scriptures detailing ‘God the Father’?

I believe if you are looking for it literally then it is not there. It is derivative. I could say God, the Holy one but that would not be in scripture literally but the concept of a Holy God is.

 

[Muffled]

gasp, there are so many definitions of what the Trinity is . what part of the Trinity is the father? what part is Jesus ? what part is holy spirit ?

I believe God does not have parts. He is one in all three members of the Trinity.

 

[Triumph]

I believe I am.

Jesus said do not devour a widows home so she is thrown out of her house and someone else takes possession of it. Jesus taught a woman is to retain her home if her husband dies so a woman is allowed equal inheritance rights Jesus taught if equal rights are not given to women those people supporting unequal rights will receive a greater damnation than just losing a house.
Matthew 23:14
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation."
All Paul's prayer is pretense to gain followers that will pay him to listen to his lies that Paul claims. "Glorify" God. Paul is interested in building a wealthy church, not in helping the poor widows and orphans. Paul attracts males that want to dominate women and cause women to live under unequal laws that exalt and enrich men.
In 1 Timothy chapter 5 Paul tells people that widows ARE to lose their house when their husband dies. The wife and children of the dead man are thrown out and the house is to be given to a male. Then Paul does not even allow young widows and their children to be in his church (Paul's "inferior" church). Paul throws them out because Paul has no intention of helping them. Paul makes them destitute and tells other people to take care of them. If the young widow has no relatives to help care for her then she becomes a street beggar to feed her children. Paul and people that believe like Paul killed the Christian Stephen for feeding poor widows and their orphans. Paul is in no way repentant of that and wants people to believe Paul is righteous and always was righteous for not supporting destitute young women and children.
People that support Paul are the blind leading the blind into the house of Judas where Paul is found.

 

[cataway]

I believe God does not have parts. He is one in all three members of the Trinity.

nope sorry you dont have permission to believe that

 

[Soapy]

I believe God does not have parts. He is one in all three members of the Trinity.

Would the trinitarian God still be your God if there was only two person in the trinitarian God?

Would the trinitarian God still be your God if there was only one person in the trinitarian God?

(Note: ‘Trinitarian God’ —> The God that Trinitarians believe in…)

I don’t understand how you say that your trinitarian God does not have ‘parts’ yet ONE PART of your trinity God BECAME FLESH!

This is very strange since GOD CANNOT CHANGE… GOD CANNOT ‘BECOME’… because GOD ‘IS’… hence His name: “YHWH’, meaning ‘I AM’….

‘I Am’ cannot change to something else or become something else …. Perfection cannot become Imperfect!!

note:
Angels are not perfect… therefore angels can - and some did - ‘become’ sinful…!

Man is not perfect… therefore man can - and did - become sinful…!

Jesus is man….but controlled himself to avoid becoming sinful…!

In order to pay the penalty for the sin of Adam, Jesus BECAME SIN FOR THE SAKE OF MANKIND.

If there was such a thing as ‘God as man’ this would certainly be a disaster it’s conundrum seeing that ‘God cannot look upon or abide sin’.

How then did Jesus become sin YET WAS STILL GOD (by trinity claims!)?

 

[Triumph]

Would the trinitarian God still be your God if there was only two person in the trinitarian God?

Would the trinitarian God still be your God if there was only one person in the trinitarian God?

(Note: ‘Trinitarian God’ —> The God that Trinitarians believe in…)

I don’t understand how you say that your trinitarian God does not have ‘parts’ yet ONE PART of your trinity God BECAME FLESH!

This is very strange since GOD CANNOT CHANGE… GOD CANNOT ‘BECOME’… because GOD ‘IS’… hence His name: “YHWH’, meaning ‘I AM’….

‘I Am’ cannot change to something else or become something else …. Perfection cannot become Imperfect!!

note:
Angels are not perfect… therefore angels can - and some did - ‘become’ sinful…!

Man is not perfect… therefore man can - and did - become sinful…!

Jesus is man….but controlled himself to avoid becoming sinful…!

In order to pay the penalty for the sin of Adam, Jesus BECAME SIN FOR THE SAKE OF MANKIND.

If there was such a thing as ‘God as man’ this would certainly be a disaster it’s conundrum seeing that ‘God cannot look upon or abide sin’.

How then did Jesus become sin YET WAS STILL GOD (by trinity claims!)?

To say Jesus became SIN is a lie. The death of Jesus removed no sin.
Believe what Jesus said, water baptism removes sin making you whole in no need for anything else. The sinners Jesus was calling to repentance were the people that believed blood sacrifice removes sin. Blood sacrifice does not remove sin but it is a tradition the Jews refused to break because it made them money. Jesus told them they made the house of God into a commercial marketplace. That infuriated Jesus because people can not transpose sin! Everyone is responsible for their own sin removed with water baptism.
Jesus is not a bought and paid for ransom!

1 Peter 1:18
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;"
Jesus taught blood sacrifices do not redeem people, they a not just meaningless, they are satanic traditions. God does not bless the murder of an innocent life and it never removed sin, people died in their sins believing God accepted blood sacrifice.

John 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."
People have to believe what Jesus and John the Baptist taught and the Command from God is believe water baptism removes your sins.
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
How so? Because Jesus commanded ALL nations to be water baptized for removal of sin.
John 4:1
When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,"
Disciples did the baptisms but it was by the Command of God, the Father, passed on to them by Jesus His Son,
that they had the power to do so.

When Jesus died, where was the voice of approval from God??>?
People heard the glorious voice of Gods approval when Jesus was water baptized, where was that voice of approval when Jesus was dying?
If his death saves the world then God would have glorified Jesus with approval and acceptance of his death but there was NONE.
The response from God was DARKNESS without the light of God and a Storm and an Earthquake. All signs of the disapproval of God!
If people have Holy Spirit then they know that a loving Father would never desire the death of a loving Son.

 

[Soapy]

To say Jesus became SIN is a lie. The death of Jesus removed no sin.
Believe what Jesus said, water baptism removes sin making you whole in no need for anything else. The sinners Jesus was calling to repentance were the people that believed blood sacrifice removes sin. Blood sacrifice does not remove sin but it is a tradition the Jews refused to break because it made them money. Jesus told them they made the house of God into a commercial marketplace. That infuriated Jesus because people can not transpose sin! Everyone is responsible for their own sin removed with water baptism.
Jesus is not a bought and paid for ransom!

1 Peter 1:18
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;"
Jesus taught blood sacrifices do not redeem people, they a not just meaningless, they are satanic traditions. God does not bless the murder of an innocent life and it never removed sin, people died in their sins believing God accepted blood sacrifice.

John 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."
People have to believe what Jesus and John the Baptist taught and the Command from God is believe water baptism removes your sins.
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
How so? Because Jesus commanded ALL nations to be water baptized for removal of sin.
John 4:1
When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,"
Disciples did the baptisms but it was by the Command of God, the Father, passed on to them by Jesus His Son,
that they had the power to do so.

When Jesus died, where was the voice of approval from God??>?
People heard the glorious voice of Gods approval when Jesus was water baptized, where was that voice of approval when Jesus was dying?
If his death saves the world then God would have glorified Jesus with approval and acceptance of his death but there was NONE.
The response from God was DARKNESS without the light of God and a Storm and an Earthquake. All signs of the disapproval of God!
If people have Holy Spirit then they know that a loving Father would never desire the death of a loving Son.

Which part of what you just wrote answers ang of the questions I asked you?

Did the side issue about Jesus becoming sin fur the salvation of mankind cause you to forget your scriptures:

• “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” (2 Cor 5:21)
• “He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.” (1 Peter 2:24)
• “The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.” (Romans 6:10)

 

[Triumph]

Which part of what you just wrote answers ang of the questions I asked you?

Did the side issue about Jesus becoming sin fur the salvation of mankind cause you to forget your scriptures:

• “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” (2 Cor 5:21)
• “He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.” (1 Peter 2:24)
• “The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.” (Romans 6:10)

Why do you quote Paul? What do you think the word GUILE means? Paul admits he uses guile to get people into his church. Guile means lies and deceit.
Paul is so sure people will follow him, believing what he says, that Paul even admits he lies to people about God and wonders why people in the true church call him a "sinner" for it.

2 Corinthians 12:16
But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile."
People are not "burdened" by Paul's lies as they enter his church because they do not know the truth Jesus taught.
Jesus said, why can you not hear MY words?
1 Peter 3:10
For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:
Romans 3:7
For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
Paul was teaching a God exists so he felt that was enough and Paul could tell any lie he wanted to form his own church beliefs
that supported what Paul wanted people to believe even when Paul LIES, deliberately breaking the Command of God not to lie.
Paul's prayer is pretense as he does say some righteous things so when Paul presents a lie Paul wants people to believe, they will believe it.

The "sin" Jesus bore on the cross is the "sin " of blasphemy but since Jesus was telling the truth that saves the lives of people, Jesus was innocent. The blasphemers were the people that demanded Jesus die for telling truth. Believing the truth Jesus taught is what saves not his murder on a stake.