“Why are atheists so interested in God?”

[Altfish]

everyone wants to love and be loved, to be god

No, I don't

 

[SomeRandom]

Some of his Youtube encounters take arrogance to a whole new level.



Why is there a need to tear his hair out in the first place? Does he see it as his primary task to convince the world that he is right and that all who believe the Bible must be intellectual midgets? Why can't he allow people the privilege of choice....does he take the rejection of his ideas personally? Will he not rest until he has all believers come around to his way of thinking as if it must be the only valid one?



You might like Jerry...his condescension is laced with humor, designed to take ridicule to a whole new level. Each of these men are gifted in their own way...not the right way....but that is just my opinion.



I find one similarity with all of these men....an air of complete superiority when it comes to the "scientific explanation" as enough proof for everything they hold to be true. But in my own investigations into evolutionary explanations, all I found was countless suggestions, backed up by inference and extrapolated by wishful thinking. It was all of course, presented as fact, but the truth is there were no facts....as the scientists among us here on RF keep telling me. Science doesn't deal in facts....how odd.


And since I find YEC equally galling in this endless debate, I don't subscribe to either of these arguments. There is middle ground that takes the best of proven science and the best of the Bible to create a scenario that for us is very balanced. You don't need to dismiss one to accept the other. Most people have no idea such a balanced approach is even possible, and it doesn't even require one to believe that God created evolution. ...because he didn't....he created in every creature the ability to adapt to a change in environment. Adaptation is small changes within a single species which can produce variety within that taxonomic family but it does not ever result in new creatures.

The idiocy Dawkins responds to is so infuriating, I'm surprised someone hasn't tried to make him the patron saint of patience.
In the videos that I think you're referring to, he is far more polite than I ever would be. If he was being condescending towards reasonable arguments I'd agree that he's just being a dick. I mean on purpose.
Honestly some of the questions he's asked would be found on an average exam in a primary school classroom. I swear I once saw a guy ask Dawkins how do we know dinosaurs exist. You could practically hear the audience face palming in the background.

And there are some who quite frankly deserve being talked down to. I mean if you honestly pull up a picture of a Crocoduck with sincerety in front of highly educated people (never mind scientists, anyone remotely acquainted with academia even) you'd find a whole lot of pointing and laughing aimed at you. There's a reason for that, just saying.
I think my favourite was some Q and A interview debate thing and you could pretty much see the audience, Christians included, get more and more incredulous with Dawkins' opponent. I mean not even Evolution, honestly I swear he was getting fundamentals of geology and even Chemistry wrong.
If I had to face such idiocy all the time, I'd be down to the wig shop within a month.
It's not even a religious thing, really. I mean I know plenty of religious people and every single one of them seems on average 10 times more intelligent than like 90% of anyone who debates Dawkins. I mean they've all become memes at this point.
Also in all honesty I always assumed he had the air of an upper class Englishman. They're just kind of like that.

I also don't know if I buy into the whole micro vs macro evolution thing. Simply because as far as I can see, macro is simply micro accumulated. I mean what separates them specifically?

 

[BilliardsBall]

One ignorant or foolish thing I’ve seen people saying about atheists is some variation of “If atheists really don’t believe in God, then why are they so interested in Him?” This is sometimes followed by saying or insinuating that they must secretly really believe in God, or have some need or desire to.

Maybe what they’re so interested in is not God himself, but the popularity of believing in some God-with-a-capital-G or other? Maybe the reason they’re so interested in that is because of the popularity of using some God-with-a-capital-G as an excuse for cruelty, vandalism, violence and oppression?

ETA: Including vandalizing forums, and intrusive, invasive and oppressive behavior in forums.

Of course! Because likewise, rational, patient, skeptical individuals of all types troll forums constantly to complain about OTHER non-existent entities.

 

[syo]

atheists are not interested in god. they want to showoff why they don't believe in god. that is why they are in religious forums.

 

[syo]

have you ever been to an atheist forum? there the most discussed subject is God, religion and the Bible. and they are ATHEIST forums.

 

[Aupmanyav]

The theists follow us to atheist forums, that is why. Surely, we are interested, just as scientists are interested in dark matter. Search for truth.

 

[Thief]

Evolution is based upon the proper application of the scientific method.

God is the Greatest when it comes to Self application

I think the proper term is..... Creator

 

[Thief]

The theists follow us to atheist forums, that is why. Surely, we are interested, just as scientists are interested in dark matter. Search for truth.

and before the creation of light....all things were dark

God came out of the darkness

oh yeah

 

[syo]

The theists follow us to atheist forums, that is why. Surely, we are interested, just as scientists are interested in dark matter. Search for truth.

theists who join atheist forums are weird. in my opinion. i would never join an atheist forum. what is there to discuss?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

One ignorant or foolish thing I’ve seen people saying about atheists is some variation of “If atheists really don’t believe in God, then why are they so interested in Him?” This is sometimes followed by saying or insinuating that they must secretly really believe in God, or have some need or desire to.

Maybe what they’re so interested in is not God himself, but the popularity of believing in some God-with-a-capital-G or other? Maybe the reason they’re so interested in that is because of the popularity of using some God-with-a-capital-G as an excuse for cruelty, vandalism, violence and oppression?

ETA: Including vandalizing forums, and intrusive, invasive and oppressive behavior in forums.

Theism and religion are interesting and significant cultural phenomena. This is independent on whether any of it is based in truth.

Some understanding of religion is necessary to understand the forces behind all sorts of things in our society and history.

As for the idea that giving attention to something indicates that the person likes it, I wonder what the people who think this way make of my recent podcast listening habits (mostly war, revolutions, and the Grenfell Tower inquiry).

 

[Thief]

Can you name other areas of science that deliberately embellish ideas that can't be substantiated?

Professor Kaku spoke while narrating a documentary......
theoretical physicists have a problem with infinity

as he narrated he took a thoughtful pose in front of a chalkboard
having an equation upon it....that ended to the sum.....
infinity+infinity+infinity.......infinitely

yep....that's a problem alright

 

[Aupmanyav]

There are many who are not like you and come to us with quotes from their books (as if that is true).

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

have you ever been to an atheist forum? there the most discussed subject is God, religion and the Bible. and they are ATHEIST forums.

Sometimes people just need to vent.

 

[Aupmanyav]

and before the creation of light....all things were dark. God came out of the darkness.

This requires some explanation. Where did the concept of darkness came from when there was no light (light came up later when God created the sun). Do you mean to say God came out of nothingness? So, how did the nothingness existed before God came out of it? Why and how God came to exist? Was that like a 'virtual particle'? And if God can come out of nothingness, then other things also could arise out of nothingness (for example 'physical energy').

theists who join atheist forums are weird. in my opinion. i would never join an atheist forum. what is there to discuss?

I wont call theist weird, but they are certainly ignorant and choose to ignore what is so apparent that God is a creation of human imagination, mental aberration or of those who want to benefit by fooling others.

 

[syo]

Sometimes people just need to vent.

haha true. but still wouldn't it be better if they focused to their atheist views and theories? wouldn't this make them more good? i mean god the most popular subject of atheists???

 

[syo]

There are many who are not like you and come to us with quotes from their books (as if that is true).

then ban them. isn't it an ATHEIST forum?

 

[Thief]

This requires some explanation. Where did the concept of darkness came from when there was no light (light came up later when God created the sun). Do you mean to say God came out of nothingness? So, how did the nothingness existed before God came out of it? Why and how God came to exist? Was that like a 'virtual particle'? And if God can come out of nothingness, then other things also could arise out of nothingness (for example 'physical energy').

let's fall back to the pivot of science.....cause and effect

do we need to answer all of (your) the questions?.......no
do we need to understand the cause?......no

we see the effect
we are part of it
we examine the effect (science)......to great extent

and it is science that leads the way to the beginning
and stops there

at that 'point'
all you can do is think about it

I say......atheists ask questions( as you do)
hoping the lack of 'evidence' will bolster a non-belief

it cannot

 

[Aupmanyav]

then ban them. isn't it an ATHEIST forum?

Forums need something to discuss. We discuss other things too, politics, science, etc.

I say......atheists ask questions( as you do)
hoping the lack of 'evidence' will bolster a non-belief.
it cannot

I asked questions when you made a comment.
Exactly that turned me in an atheist - a Hindu with 330 million Gods (so they say).

 

[ChristineM]

One ignorant or foolish thing I’ve seen people saying about atheists is some variation of “If atheists really don’t believe in God, then why are they so interested in Him?” This is sometimes followed by saying or insinuating that they must secretly really believe in God, or have some need or desire to.

Maybe what they’re so interested in is not God himself, but the popularity of believing in some God-with-a-capital-G or other? Maybe the reason they’re so interested in that is because of the popularity of using some God-with-a-capital-G as an excuse for cruelty, vandalism, violence and oppression?

ETA: Including vandalizing forums, and intrusive, invasive and oppressive behavior in forums.

You could say we are as interested in a god or gods in just the same way as some are interested in harry potter, i.e. good story of magic and mayhem but pure fiction.

What is interesting though is those believers in god(s) (or harry potter) who live their lives in the hope that a myth will give them eternal salvation after they die. It is truly fascinating.

 

[leroy]

One ignorant or foolish thing I’ve seen people saying about atheists is some variation of “If atheists really don’t believe in God, then why are they so interested in Him?” This is sometimes followed by saying or insinuating that they must secretly really believe in God, or have some need or desire to.

Maybe what they’re so interested in is not God himself, but the popularity of believing in some God-with-a-capital-G or other? Maybe the reason they’re so interested in that is because of the popularity of using some God-with-a-capital-G as an excuse for cruelty, vandalism, violence and oppression?

ETA: Including vandalizing forums, and intrusive, invasive and oppressive behavior in forums.

I guess the question is, why do they get so emotional when talking about God. Or things like evolution.