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1,000 Architects & Engineers Call for New 9/11 Investigation

dust1n

Zindīq
SAN FRANCISCO, Feb. 19 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Richard Gage, AIA, architect and founder of the non-profit Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Inc. (AE911Truth), will announce a decisive milestone today at a press conference in San Francisco, as more than 1,000 worldwide architects and engineers now support the call for a new investigation into the destruction of the Twin Towers and Building 7 at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. After careful examination of the official explanation, along with the forensic data omitted from official reports, these professionals have concluded that a new independent investigation into these mysterious collapses is needed. Mr. Gage will deliver the news around this major development, accompanied by signers of the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth petition. The press conference will be held concurrently in 38 cities in 6 countries. http://www.ae911truth.org/info/160
These prominent architectural and engineering professionals will discuss the organization's findings and concerns. A brief presentation of the explosive evidence they have compiled will be followed by Q & A. The presentation is an important update of "9/11: Blueprint for Truth – The Architecture of Destruction," the DVD produced by the organization, andavailable on their website AE911Truth.org, which analyzes the scientific forensic evidence concluding that the three skyscrapers in New York City were demolished with explosives on 9/11. The petition will be delivered today to every congressional representative by AE911Truth petition signers throughout the country. Government officials will be notified that "Misprision of Treason", US Code 18 (Sec. 2382), is a serious federal offense which requires those with evidence of treason to act.
Gage and his group base their conclusions on forensic evidence. Gage states, "The official FEMA and NIST reports provide insufficient, contradictory, and fraudulent accounts of the circumstances of the towers' destruction. We are therefore calling for a grand jury investigation of NIST officials. Gage points out the destruction of the third high-rise, World Trade Center 7, a 47-story skyscraper which was not hit by an aircraft, yet came down in pure free-fall acceleration for more than 100 feet, a significant fact that NIST has been forced to admit, due to research conducted by AE911Truth petition signers. Other disturbing facts emerging from the forensic evidence include:


  • Complete destruction of both Twin Towers in just 10 to 14 seconds at near free-fall acceleration
  • Over 100 first-responder reports of explosions and flashes at onset of destruction
  • Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally 600 ft at 60 mph
  • Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking
  • 1200-foot-dia. debris field: no "pancaked" floors seen in the debris pile
  • Several tons of molten metal found in debris.
  • Evidence of advanced explosive nano-thermitic composite material found in the WTC dust by an international team of scientists

AE911Truth's conclusions are shared by thousands of scientists; senior-level military, intelligence and government officials; pilots and aviation professionals; firefighters; scholars and university professors; and 9/11 survivors and their family members. The implications are enormous and may have profound impact on the forthcoming Khalid Sheikh Mohammed trial. The 9/11 Truth Movement, which Time magazine in 2006 called "a mainstream political reality," continues to gain momentum. As AE911Truth's own influence grows, Gage has embarked on well over 130 speaking events, covering 20 states and 13 countries, including Australia, New Zealand, and Japan. He has been interviewed by media around the world – including the BBC, CBC, NatGeo, and Fox TV.
SOURCE Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Inc.






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Neo-Logic

Reality Checker
Given the number of architects and engineers in America, let alone the world, it's not inconceivable that 1000 of them are out of their minds and bandwagon onto the conspiracy theory.

"Disturbing facts" that conspiracy theorists love to throw around are from the early and inconclusive reports understandably containing discrepancies. Any further misunderstanding of the 9/11 commission report is stemming from the lack of parallel comparisons we can make and an overactive imagination combined with fantasy. There's not much to compare 9/11 attack since nothing to that same scale and equal series of events ever took place.

I've heard some of the theorists -- including the 9/11 truth organizations. I even read/listened to their crap before. When they deliver their petition of stupidity, I hope Congress will burn it on the spot and don't waste their time.
 

silvermoon383

Well-Known Member
Maybe they should these people the footage of jets flying into these buildings and blowing up.
And have the engineering licensing groups check those 1000 over. Their "evidences" are consistent with the laws of physics and are exactly what you'd expect when buildings of their size collapse from structural failure.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
Given the number of architects and engineers in America, let alone the world, it's not inconceivable that 1000 of them are out of their minds and bandwagon onto the conspiracy theory.

"Disturbing facts" that conspiracy theorists love to throw around are from the early and inconclusive reports understandably containing discrepancies. Any further misunderstanding of the 9/11 commission report is stemming from the lack of parallel comparisons we can make and an overactive imagination combined with fantasy. There's not much to compare 9/11 attack since nothing to that same scale and equal series of events ever took place.

I've heard some of the theorists -- including the 9/11 truth organizations. I even read/listened to their crap before. When they deliver their petition of stupidity, I hope Congress will burn it on the spot and don't waste their time.

What is your theory about the collapse of Building 7?
 

Neo-Logic

Reality Checker
Are you saying all these engineers and architects don't know their own field?

The field of engineering and architecture are wide and vast. There are dozens of specializations and sub-specialty fields. Not all engineers will be structural engineers and not all architects will be familiar with skyscraper designs and neither are expected to be physics, pyrotechnics, demolitions, or chemistry experts -- all of which goes into even beginning to analyze something of 9/11's magnitude and scale.

It's not hard to imagine that many engineers and architects will be different in their focuses, and consequently, lack the cross-disciplinary collaboration required to truly analyze something like 9/11 professionally.
 
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dust1n

Zindīq
And by 'real' I suppose you mean, something that fits in with your preconceived notion of the result? Presumably something putting the US government at fault?

To be fair, the 9/11 Commission Report did fail to mention anything about WTC Building 7. I would like to know what happened, and I have no preconceived notions that I'm willing to face down any legitimate evidence that supports contrary ideas.

And 7 of the terror suspects on the FBI list are supposedly alive, which still has not been updated.
 
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YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
The field of engineering and architecture are wide and vast. There are dozens of specializations and sub-specialty fields. Not all engineers will be structural engineers and not all architects will be familiar with skyscraper designs and neither are expected to be physics, pyrotechnics, demolitions, or chemistry -- all of which goes into even beginning to analyze something of 9/11's magnitude and scale.

It's not hard to imagine that many engineers and architects will be different in their focuses, and consequently, lack the cross-disciplinary collaboration required to truly analyze something like 9/11 professionally.
I don't think I need to add anything to this thread with you staking out the side of reason, although Sunstone's comments were hilarious - almost as funny as Baal's.
 

Neo-Logic

Reality Checker
What is your theory about the collapse of Building 7?

I am not qualified in the necessary fields or disciplines to theorize on the collapse of building 7. Presumably, neither are 99.99% of the conspiracy theorists, although they won't admit it and won't give credence to the value of a qualified opinion.
 

Neo-Logic

Reality Checker
To be fair, the 9/11 Commission Report did fail to mention anything about WTC Building 7. I would like to know what happened, and I have no preconceived notions that I'm willing to face down any legitimate evidence that supports contrary ideas.

And 7 of the terror suspects on the FBI list are supposedly alive, which still has not been updated.

I haven't looked enough into building 7 to understand the variables surrounding it, but if nothing was mentioned and it is worth mentioning, I wouldn't mind finding out.

However, the ulterior motive of most theorists urkes me. The implication of anything other than the events reported to have taken place and made official having taken place in 9/11 is to suggest a government cover up. The thing that would make the theorists happy is if government was even involved and all their claims came out as the truth.

The impact of the implication to the families and friends of the 3,000 lost that day would be a good place to start. To chip away at whatever closure they may have gotten for the joy of the conspiracy is at best, pathetic.

I have a hard time believing that a government that is capable of committing mass murder on its own people and covering it up successfully for all these years is not capable of staging a few accidental deaths of all the theorists and bloggers.
 

Ba'al

Active Member
And by 'real' I suppose you mean, something that fits in with your preconceived notion of the result? Presumably something putting the US government at fault?

What I mean by real, is a scientific investigation, not a political investigation. There are too many unanswered questions that need to be addressed. Maybe you feel different Neologic but it's clear most Americans aren't satisfied with the secrecy of the government. Live Vote: Do you believe 9/11 conspiracy theories? - Security- msnbc.com



Here are a few problems with the the 911 comission report taken from: 9-11 Research: The 9-11 Report
Omissions

Falsehoods

  • The Report's Notes state: "the interior core of the [Twin Towers] was a hollow steel shaft, in which the elevators and stairwells were grouped." In fact, the core structures were composed of bundles of steel columns numbering 47 and having outside dimensions, in most cases, of 36 by 16 inches and 54 by 22 inches.
  • The Report states that the "South Tower collapsed in ten seconds," when it actually took about 15 seconds. While one might expect that the Commission would overstate rather than understate the collapse time, the fact that the Commission did not even consider a collapse time within one second of the vacuum free-fall time of 9.2 seconds a problem for the official explanation is evidence that the Commission would endorse that explanation no matter what the facts.
  • Regarding the failure to promptly move George W. Bush from the known location of the Sarasota classroom, the Report states that "No one in the traveling party had any information during this time that other aircraft were hijacked or missing." Yet, according to evidence assembled by David Griffin, the Secret Service has open lines to the FAA, whose top operations people in the northeast corridor thought that as many as 11 planes had been hijacked. [SIZE=-1] 2 [/SIZE]
  • The Report states: "The threat of terrorists hijacking commercial airliners within the United States -- and using them as guided missiles -- was not recognized by NORAD before 9/11." (The Report repeats the assertion three times.) Yet media reports, such as the USA Today article entitled "NORAD had drills of jets as weapons" describe pre-9/11 NORAD drills involving hijacked jetliners crashing into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. [SIZE=-1] 3 [/SIZE]
  • The Report states: "The protocols did not contemplate an intercept. They assumed the fighter escort would be discreet, 'vectored to a position five miles directly behind the hijacked aircraft,' where it could perform its mission to monitor the aircraft's flight path." Yet the order referenced by the footnote for this statement (Order 7610.4J: Special Military Operations), states: 7-2-1. FACILITY NOTIFICATION

    The FAA hijack coordinator will advise the appropriate center/control tower of the identification of the military unit and location tasked to provide the hijack escort. The center/control tower shall coordinate with the designated NORAD SOCC/ROCC/military unit advising of the hijack aircraft's location, direction of flight, altitude, type aircraft and recommended flight plan to intercept the hijack aircraft. The center/control tower shall file the coordinated flight plan. [SIZE=-1] 4 [/SIZE]
  • To address the charge that Saudi nationals were flown out of the country before the post-9/11 flight ban was lifted, the Report states: "we found no evidence that any flights of Saudi nationals, domestic or international, took place before the reopening of national airspace on the morning of September 13, 2001." In fact national airspace was only open to commercial airliners on a case-by-case basis on September 13, 2001. It was not until September 15th that the skies were opened to general aviation (privately owned aircraft). [SIZE=-1] 5 [/SIZE] Yet the Lear Jet that flew Saudi nationals from Tampa, FL to Lexington, KY on September 13th was a private plane. [SIZE=-1] 6 [/SIZE]

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