10% of Europe will be Muslim in around 30 years

[MD]

Muslim population in Europe to reach 10% by 2050, new forecast shows | World news | The Guardian

What are the implications for a more Islamic Europe? Will Europe eventually become Muslim?

 

[oldbadger]

What are the implications for a more Islamic Europe? Will Europe eventually become Muslim?

Hi.....
The Pew Research Centre must do all that it can to project its own name around the Globe.
I wouldn't give too much credence to its projections for Europe.
For instance......... It didn't mention the Sikhs, or their very high populations in various districts around Britain.

The 'butterfly effect' cancels most projections into bulldust. However, if a substantial % of the population of Europe will be Muslim in 35 years, that will be ok. Most of the many young Muslim males that I worked with were more into smart cars and street credibility, so maybe their new cultures will grow with the population increase? Only about 1 Muslim in twenty would offer noon prayers......... maybe young Muslims will tend to become westernised?

 

[MD]

Hi.....
The Pew Research Centre must do all that it can to project its own name around the Globe.
I wouldn't give too much credence to its projections for Europe.
For instance......... It didn't mention the Sikhs, or their very high populations in various districts around Britain.

The 'butterfly effect' cancels most projections into bulldust. However, if a substantial % of the population of Europe will be Muslim in 35 years, that will be ok. Most of the many young Muslim males that I worked with were more into smart cars and street credibility, so maybe their new cultures will grow with the population increase? Only about 1 Muslim in twenty would offer noon prayers......... maybe young Muslims will tend to become westernised?

As people age they become more conservative, either fiscally, socially or both. I have become a lot more fiscally conservative as I've gotten older and a little more socially conservative. And I come from a pretty liberal community and family.

As communities grow, power grows and influence increases. Are you saying a Europe which is say 25% Muslim will still be secular? Still be okay with gays and atheists? Still be cool with apostasy?

What if Europe became 50% Muslim? Or 75%?

Remember most secular people have very few kids. The Romans and Persians were a lot more liberal than the Catholic Church or the Islamic Republic of Iran today.

 

[oldbadger]

As people age they become more conservative, either fiscally, socially or both. I have become a lot more fiscally conservative as I've gotten older and a little more socially conservative. And I come from a pretty liberal community and family.

As communities grow, power grows and influence increases. Are you saying a Europe which is say 25% Muslim will still be secular? Still be okay with gays and atheists? Still be cool with apostasy?

What if Europe became 50% Muslim? Or 75%?

Remember most secular people have very few kids. The Romans and Persians were a lot more liberal than the Catholic Church or the Islamic Republic of Iran today.

What will be will be..........
Each age has its own challenges, its own situations.

This week we are remembering the dreadful Armenian genocide of 2015. Our Queen laid a wreath in remembrance of that horror. There will always be tragedies and horrors to overcome. Do you remember Cambodia? Do you remember Bosnia?

If any minority in my country becomes isolated, victimised and harassed, I hope that there will be people about who will stand up for Equality amongst all humans.

 

[MD]

What will be will be..........
Each age has its own challenges, its own situations.

This week we are remembering the dreadful Armenian genocide of 2015. Our Queen laid a wreath in remembrance of that horror. There will always be tragedies and horrors to overcome. Do you remember Cambodia? Do you remember Bosnia?

If any minority in my country becomes isolated, victimised and harassed, I hope that there will be people about who will stand up for Equality amongst all humans.

Do you remember the Yezidis? Where thousands of women have been raped by Islamists because they follow a religion which is an offshoot of my own? Where girls as young as 9 are pregnant?

I suppose you may not care, but I am glad I live in North America where Islam will only be 2%. History has shown that very few step up for minorities when they are overpowered by the vast majority. And Islamic history is more brutal than the Catholic Church.

 

[oldbadger]

Do you remember the Yezidis? Where thousands of women have been raped by Islamists because they follow a religion which is an offshoot of my own? Where girls as young as 9 are pregnant?

I suppose you may not care, but I am glad I live in North America where Islam will only be 2%. History has shown that very few step up for minorities when they are overpowered by the vast majority. And Islamic history is more brutal than the Catholic Church.

Oh! A presumptuous member!
Don't you go supposing what I care about matey..... if you ask then you will find out.....

Do you care about the killing fields of Cambodia?
Do you care about the Rwandan genocide?
Do you care about the Gypsy and JW massacres of WWII?
There are massacres and genocides stretching back through history, and the people who caused them were all homo-sapiens.
You were asking about EUROPE. I was answering that time will tell.
And none of the Muslims in my country were involved in the Yesidi murders.

I am not worried about the growth of the Muslim population in England, because the vast majority of young Muslims are into Western values........ and during the 80's, 90's and 20's I knew quite a lot of them.

 

[MD]

I am not worried about the growth of the Muslim population in England, because the vast majority of young Muslims are into Western values........ and during the 80's, 90's and 20's I knew quite a lot of them.

So you don't see a clash between Muslim values and European values?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

What are the implications for a more Islamic Europe? Will Europe eventually become Muslim?

^ Yellow Peril Redux.

So you don't see a clash between Muslim values and European values?

I see a lot of Islamophobic fear mongering.

 

[Riverwolf]

Muslim population in Europe to reach 10% by 2050, new forecast shows | World news | The Guardian

What are the implications for a more Islamic Europe? Will Europe eventually become Muslim?

I'm sorry. I fail to see any kind of problem with such a development.

Or why any such "forecasts" should be regarded with any kind of trust.

 

[Riverwolf]

So you don't see a clash between Muslim values and European values?

What are "European values", and would you say they're ubiquitous enough that they can be broadly applied to all European countries, cultures, and subcultures? If so, based on what data?

Also, would you say the Christianization of Europe between 500 and 1000 years ago (give or take) caused massive chances in any previously held European values?

 

[psychoslice]

I personally hope it doesn't happen.

 

[Shad]

Muslim population in Europe to reach 10% by 2050, new forecast shows | World news | The Guardian

What are the implications for a more Islamic Europe? Will Europe eventually become Muslim?

It depends on how each Muslim, or Muslim, community develops. There is already evidence of various group being influenced away from ideas which are supported within the normal Islamic world such as apostasy as a criminal offense. Even within the Islamic world there many in opposition to such a view on apostasy. If Europe becomes "Islamic", a worse case scenario, then negative views of Islam and Muslim will be validated.

 

[oldbadger]

So you don't see a clash between Muslim values and European values?

What European values? I'm seriously p-ssed off with European values!

As for Muslim values or any religious, cultural or political values....... I don't have any issues with any of them as long as they live by our English Legislation. When folks, any folks, breach those laws, then tough-luck on them.

I write aggressively against people who force their children to learn under duress. I write aggressively against people who dominate, manipulate, injure or murder their women (or men!), but I don't really consider those types of people to be anything more than bullying murderous thugs whio need to be locked away.

As for the scumbag IS groups that have murdered and tortured people, any people, in recent years, I sincerely hope that they will one day be extinguished........... probably by Muslim forces.

You had an agenda. You took a rubbish projection for attention, and then tried to get a reaction that would please you. You're not a friggin' journalist, are you?

The Muslim young here mostly prefer our crappy European values to crappy extremist Islamic values. Young men want a decent car, smart clothes, street cred and a bit of freedom. If so....... what the hell..... good luck to them.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well, besides the Muslim issue, white Europeans better start having more kids and soon because most of their birthrates are below replacement level. Europe is heading for a demographic disaster. Very sad.

 

[oldbadger]

Well, besides the Muslim issue, white Europeans better start having more kids and soon because most of their birthrates are below replacement level. Europe is heading for a demographic disaster. Very sad.

Hi Saint.......
London is one of the most racially and culturally diverse cities in the World......... and it 'runs' quite well. I wouldn't mind seeing the whole World mixed up like that. Imagine that..... a cosmopolitan World. Quite nice, really.

 

[Riverwolf]

Well, besides the Muslim issue, white Europeans better start having more kids and soon because most of their birthrates are below replacement level. Europe is heading for a demographic disaster. Very sad.

I fail to see how that would be any kind of disaster, either. Humans are humans. Who cares what skin color?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Hi Saint.......
London is one of the most racially and culturally diverse cities in the World......... and it 'runs' quite well. I wouldn't mind seeing the whole World mixed up like that. Imagine that..... a cosmopolitan World. Quite nice, really.

So you're fine with white people becoming a minority in Europe?

That sort of set-up only works if all the people living there share the same basic values. We have a very large number of African Muslims and Bhutanese immigrants (i.e. Nepalese that the Nepalese government doesn't want back) here and they act like they're still in their homelands while living off of welfare and getting their housing paid for by refugee orgs. They're leeches and tend to be very rude, even hateful people. They're not interested in being American.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I fail to see how that would be any kind of disaster, either. Humans are humans. Who cares what skin color?

That's a very strange stance for a Germanic pagan to take. Somehow I doubt that the Norse would've approved of dying out in their own homeland. That's a sign that something is wrong. Personally, I like global diversity and the variance of the human species. Ethnic groups should be preserved.

 

[Jumi]

I would worry more about radical or anti-education Muslims than the normal ones immigrating here as refugees or for work.

 

[oldbadger]

So you're fine with white people becoming a minority in Europe?

Yeah. 'Cos it'll sort itself out. Humans seem to thrive on upheaval, and Nature insists that we have those occasional upheavals. Nature rules, I guess.
But it'll take centuries for whites to become a minority.....let's hope that it all works out for the best. Many folks don't think that humanity will even survive that long....... that's our first problem.

That sort of set-up only works if all the people living there share the same basic values. We have a very large number of African Muslims and Bhutanese immigrants (i.e. Nepalese that the Nepalese government doesn't want back) here and they act like they're still in their homelands while living off of welfare and getting their housing paid for by refugee orgs. They're leeches and tend to be very rude, even hateful people. They're not interested in being American.

We've got lots of African Muslims. I met many of them over twenty years......they came on my training courses to qualify for Security Industry licences. They wanted to work. In the end I could tell which countries they came from by the shapes of their faces, etc ...... true. Over here they tend to work.

Nepalese? Wow! We respect the Nepalese so much! Over here they tend to be the smartest, most courteous and bravest security operatives that I ever met. If they can work, then they do work. But we have a long held resp[ect for Nepalese, and some of them earn automatic UK Nationality if they have served with our Army for a certain number of years.

If you ever come to England and want to see a rude, unemployed leech or two....... I will show you a few. They're mostly white....