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100 Reasons why Evolution is Stupid - Dr. Hovind

Sculelos

Active Member
I think this offers good insight to a creationist point of view on Evolution as I generally agree with about 99% of what Dr. Hovind says.

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100 Reasons Why Evolution Is STUPID! - Kent Hovind Christian Creationist - YouTube

Some asked my point to discuss a few of my own answers and questions and this is what I replied with.

Okay, first off, if evolution was proved to be true without a doubt I would easily say the Bible is completely false and become completely atheistic.

However logically I can not say that because I have questions that are only answered in a nonsensical way when I think of the evolutionist answer.

The first thing we must consider is Spontaneous Generation also known as Abiogenesis. Consider what science accepts as current fact.

"The spontaneous generation origin of living things at the present time is believed to be extremely improbable. Yet that this same event occurred in the past is quite probable. The difference lies in the conditions existing on earth, then as opposed to now.... the postulated origin of living matter assumes the occurrence of a chemical evolution."

And this

"The origin of life presupposes first of all, the natural accumulation of suitable raw materials....Further presupposed is a gradual evolution of increasingly complex systems from the raw materials until a self-contained unit appears which we would be willing to recognize as a living thing. The compounds which abounded in the primeval seas on our cooling planet and were therefore available to serve as the building units for the edifice of life were thus selected for their roles by a process of atomic evolution. But most of these compounds are too unstable to exist for more then fractions of a second."

This to me is equal to saying there was no life in the beginning and life generated out of nonliving matter.

Second part is mutations however I won't go into great detail as in real life examples all mutations are lost due to the process of natural selection but here is a few examples.

"Mutation...provides the raw material of evolution; it is a random affair and takes place in all directions the great majority of mutant genes are harmful in their effects on the organism. Mutations have been studied for more then a half-century; much has been learned, and that a geneticist is constrained to admit that his knowledge is decidedly inadequate. We did not consider them important because they nearly always represented obviously disadvantageous modification from the point of view of the struggle for existence; consequently they would most likely be rapidly eliminated in the wild state by the operation of natural selection.'"

Brilliant, I'd dare say this provides an excellent case for evolution not happening from mutations as any mutants would die do to natural selection.
 
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Sculelos

Active Member
I'm not trolling, it's a very good video and examination and I heard some tell me that Dr. Kent Hovind is not a reliable source so if he is not this would be absolutely the best video to refute if he is full of crap, I however think he is about 99% accurate but this is your chance to take on a big challenge if you really think you know your stuff.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It's one thing to disagree, but it's quite another to say evolution is stupid.
It doesn't reflect well on the speaker.
 

Sculelos

Active Member
It's one thing to disagree, but it's quite another to say evolution is stupid.
It doesn't reflect well on the speaker.

Well I'd say every stupid idea can be answered with a stupid question.

Like for example: Is the Earth flat.

Answer: Are you flat?
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Hmmmm....does Kent Hovind being stupid make him more, or less, qualified to point out whether things are stupid?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Hmmmm....does Kent Hovind being stupid make him more, or less, qualified to point out whether things are stupid?
The "It takes one to know one" cliche has limited applicability
to stupidity, particularly when great certainty is involved.
 

Sculelos

Active Member
I'm so sorry for you. What went wrong for that to happen?

Just seems to me that whenever people are offended they don't properly respond to questions but rather attack the messenger of such questions when in fact the messenger is not relevant to the content of the question.

My point is attack the question or the content within but not the messenger.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Just seems to me that whenever people are offended they don't properly respond to questions but rather attack the messenger of such questions when in fact the messenger is not relevant to the content of the question.

My point is attack the question or the content within but not the messenger.
Ken Hovind has been shown to be baseless by actual experts in the field so many countless times it's not worth anyone reinventing the wheel. Besides, you ask us to watch over one hour of his fictions and respond to it?

If you believe "99%" of this, then you present one of his arguments in your own voice and ask us to focus on this. I for one, like what the Bible says about putting garbage into your head, rather than focusing on that which his holy, pure, and true. Spare me the pain of this video, and you make your case why you think evolution is "stupid". I'll be glad to look at your thoughts about this.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Just seems to me that whenever people are offended they don't properly respond to questions but rather attack the messenger of such questions when in fact the messenger is not relevant to the content of the question.

My point is attack the question or the content within but not the messenger.

The messenger is relevant when they have been repeatedly shown to communicate incorrect, misguided, and/or dishonest information for the goal of spreading an irrational view based off of bias and ignorance.
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
haha he is funny. looks like he is a good pastor. I Bet he gives a good sermon.
 

Sculelos

Active Member
Ken Hovind has been shown to be baseless by actual experts in the field so many countless times it's not worth anyone reinventing the wheel. Besides, you ask us to watch over one hour of his fictions and respond to it?

If you believe "99%" of this, then you present one of his arguments in your own voice and ask us to focus on this. I for one, like what the Bible says about putting garbage into your head, rather than focusing on that which his holy, pure, and true. Spare me the pain of this video, and you make your case why you think evolution is "stupid". I'll be glad to look at your thoughts about this.

If you want me take evolution seriously you won't have any problems answering all these simple questions. For simplicity's sake I'll limit it to 20 short questions.

1. What creates energy?
2. Is the universe eternal or is it finite?
3. Is the universe expanding?
4. What creates order?
5. Is there Oceans underneath the Mantle of the Earth?
6. Is Earth expanding?
7. Are the Stars expanding?
8. Is any other planet expanding?
9. What creates matter?
10. Is energy finite or infinite?
11. Is matter finite or infinite?
12. Does gravity push or pull?
13. If there is no Oceans underneath the Sea floors how is there continual springs of water on the Ocean-bed?
14. What's the difference between God and Nothing?
15. Can something be created out of nothing?
16. What came first energy or matter?
17. If the big bang happened matter would get farther and farther apart, what would draw it together.
18. If space was nothing how do we move through it?
19. If space is something how is it empty?
20. Does a rotating sphere have more force outside in or inside out?
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
If you want me take evolution seriously you won't have any problems answering all these simple questions. For simplicity's sake I'll limit it to 20 short questions.

1. What creates energy?
2. Is the universe eternal or is it finite?
3. Is the universe expanding?
4. What creates order?
5. Is there Oceans underneath the Mantle of the Earth?
6. Is Earth expanding?
7. Are the Stars expanding?
8. Is any other planet expanding?
9. What creates matter?
10. Is energy finite or infinite?
11. Is matter finite or infinite?
12. Does gravity push or pull?
13. If there is no Oceans underneath the Sea floors how is there continual springs of water on the Ocean-bed?
14. What's the difference between God and Nothing?
15. Can something be created out of nothing?
16. What came first energy or matter?
17. If the big bang happened matter would get farther and farther apart, what would draw it together.
18. If space was nothing how do we move through it?
19. If space is something how is it empty?
20. Does a rotating sphere have more force outside in or inside out?

The most interesting thing about this list of questions, is that not a single one of them (even the ones that make sense), have anything whatsoever to do with evolution.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
The most interesting thing about this list of questions, is that not a single one of them (even the ones that make sense), have anything whatsoever to do with evolution.

They don't at that. That is, as they say in Song of Ice and Fire, queer.
 

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
They don't at that. That is, as they say in Song of Ice and Fire, queer.

Namaste:

Sansa: "But...Stannis won't hurt me."

Sandor: "Stannis is a killer. The Lannisters are killers. Your father was a killer. Your brother is a killer. Your sons will be killers some day. You better get used to looking at them."

M.V.
 

Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
One thing people have to realize is that Hovind is utterly unintelligent. Almost everything he has said is debunked or a lie.

So moving along. He is discredited by merely speaking. Why do you think Hovind only addresses the Christian community and never tries this to atheists like Dawkins? There is a reason for this.
 

Sculelos

Active Member
One thing people have to realize is that Hovind is utterly unintelligent. Almost everything he has said is debunked or a lie.

So moving along. He is discredited by merely speaking. Why do you think Hovind only addresses the Christian community and never tries this to atheists like Dawkins? There is a reason for this.

Nonsense, he debated more Evolutionist then any other person I know of.

Dr Hovind Creation Debate - YouTube
 
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