100 Reasons why Evolution is Stupid - Dr. Hovind

[savagewind]

Before I respond, do you or do not you agree with the timeline for evolution of life from a common ancestor?

I do not presume to know the science behind knowing the timeline. I shall go out on a limb and say no. I do not believe man's made up timeline. Do you know how man originated it?

 

[savagewind]

There is "true religion" in more than one religious text. The "true religion" doesn't agree in each religious text. That is the problem. No? Is it a problem to teach something is true if it isn't?

It is a problem. I believe the problem will reach a dangerous climax. When It does, it is what I believe "every knee will bend" means.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

It is a problem. I believe the problem will reach a dangerous climax. When It does, it is what I believe "every knee will bend" means.

What exactly told you that? The "truth" contained in your religious texts?

 

[savagewind]

What exactly told you that? The "truth" contained in your religious texts?

Not what, who. The Spirit of the Truth. I do believe the filter about which is published somewhere here by a woman. Haha. It's not funny. So I might be wrong. Is it possible you might be wrong? You will say yes, but you don't believe it imo.

 

[Alceste]

OK Chemical compounds did not "evolve". Stars did not evolve. Live did not evolve from non-life. So all these, if they did not develop gradually, esp. from a simple to a more complex form, then how did they appear? Suddenly? Well, God believers believe God appeared suddenly in relation to this universe. There was nothing (except The Holy One) then God said "Let it be" and it was. So.....how do you explain the development of non-life forms and where did energy come from? BOTH things are needed for your theory of evolution to work.

Let's start again right there. Question: Is there an essential requirement for life to evolve? Yes, or no?

That's a false dichotomy. There are not only two possible scenarios - everything appearing gradually via natural processes and everything appearing suddenly by magic. Natural processes can be sudden and cataclysmic. Hypothetically, an omniscient being could create things gradually by establishing the laws of chemistry and physics and pressing "play".

Yes evolution is necessary in order for life as we know it, in all its forms, to exist. Could there be life elsewhere in the universe that did not develop according to the theory of evolution? Possibly, I suppose, but it would not be anything like what we know as life on earth.

 

[dust1n]

I do not presume to know the science behind knowing the timeline. I shall go out on a limb and say no. I do not believe man's made up timeline. Do you know how man originated it?

Then there is no point in discussing anything with you. I only talk to men (and women). If there is some knowledge that is not man-made, I have never gotten remotely close to interacting with it, and such knowledge has no place in science anyways, where evolution is placed, into matters of science.

I would hope that dismissing something that you admittedly do not know would appear problematic on it's own, but I suppose not.

And I suppose there simply is not a way for you to know about it because you appear to heavily prefer any media that talks about evolution as if it was the entirely baseless thing attacking your beliefs in God or whatever, instead of engaging with any of the material about evolution from people who do happen to agree with 99% of biologists.

 

[Alceste]

He was funny and correct in his own way. For evolution to work all the other stuff had to be created first. If you didn't have the amino acids you wouldn't have gotten life. If you didn't have planets no life. He calls it all evolution and points out that each is different. Science has given it all different names but with out each of his steps none of it works.

I live outside the echo chamber and like him enjoy reading science, unlike him I believe evolution with its flaws is still the best story we have for how life began. I also believe evolution is not a science, and religion is a much closer definition of what evolution is.

True. Evolution is not a scientific discipline. The science that depends on evolution is called biology. The science that deals with understanding the universe is physics. The science that deals with the spontaneous assembly of amino acids, RNA, DNA, etc. is chemistry.

I don't see where religion fits in, but to each their own. I only ask that if you want to teach it, give it its own class in secular schools - don't try to shoehorn it into the science classroom. It simply doesn't fit.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Not what, who. The Spirit of the Truth. I do believe the filter about which is published somewhere here by a woman. Haha. It's not funny. So I might be wrong. Is it possible you might be wrong? You will say yes, but you don't believe it imo.

No; I don't think it's possible that the theory of evolution could be wrong; evolution has pretty obviously taken place, and is still happening. I could be wrong about the existence of God, but I highly doubt that.

 

[SkepticThinker]

If you equate full of self and idiot, I agree. If you mean idiot as in knowing nothing of what he speaks of I must disagree. I think he makes some very good thinking points.

Practically every single thing the guy talks about are a complete and utter distortion of the facts. I almost feel embarrassed for him.

 

[dust1n]

Not what, who. The Spirit of the Truth. I do believe the filter about which is published somewhere here by a woman. Haha. It's not funny. So I might be wrong. Is it possible you might be wrong? You will say yes, but you don't believe it imo.

What is the The Spirit of the Truth?

 

[savagewind]

Then there is no point in discussing anything with you. I only talk to men (and women). If there is some knowledge that is not man-made, I have never gotten remotely close to interacting with it, and such knowledge has no place in science anyways, where evolution is placed, into matters of science.

I would hope that dismissing something that you admittedly do not know would appear problematic on it's own, but I suppose not.

And I suppose there simply is not a way for you to know about it because you appear to heavily prefer any media that talks about evolution as if it was the entirely baseless thing attacking your beliefs in God or whatever, instead of engaging with any of the material about evolution from people who do happen to agree with 99% of biologists.

Wow maybe if I forsake my God my ability to listen will be lost. I prefer to hear than not to hear, if I have a choice.

 

[Alceste]

I do not presume to know the science behind knowing the timeline. I shall go out on a limb and say no. I do not believe man's made up timeline. Do you know how man originated it?

I do. Curious and brilliant individuals identified things we do not know and set out to explain them through a careful, methodical examination of the evidence. Now we know the truth. Just as we know the earth is not flat, the stars are other suns, the planets revolve around the sun, you can't cure a skin disease by sacrificing a goat, and all kinds of other things the writers of the Bible did not know.

 

[Falvlun]

I believe it is touched upon in the video. Did you watch it?

Can't. Most my RFing is done at work and videos are blocked. Can you give me the cliffnotes of that particular argument, since you were apparently using it yourself?

 

[savagewind]

Practically every single thing the guy talks about are a complete and utter distortion of the facts. I almost feel embarrassed for him.

OK What about where they are in the museum and he says "that is not longer considered the way it is" and then he says "why is it still up?" and the answer is "because we have no funds to get it removed". Made up?

 

[savagewind]

I do. Curious and brilliant individuals identified things we do not know and set out to explain them through a careful, methodical examination of the evidence. Now we know the truth. Just as we know the earth is not flat, the stars are other suns, the planets revolve around the sun, you can't cure a skin disease by sacrificing a goat, and all kinds of other things the writers of the Bible did not know.

Actually some disease is cured by believing. It is called by science mind over matter or not, I don't know.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Has a summary of these 100 points been posted yet? Because I barely spend that much time watching things that I want to watch. And has anyone yet mentioned this Hovind guy is currently locked over a a number of financial and impeding investigation charges?

 

[savagewind]

If you think it is correct that how life started is irrelevant to whether evolution is a sound scientific theory, then why did you bring up the origin of life in the first place?

Consider please the tale "The emperor's new clothes". He believed a new suit for himself could be made by invisible cloth. Invisible cloth, in case you don't know, is no cloth. You want to believe the wonderful life was made without knowing the cloth. You have no cloth. And it doesn't matter, according to you.

 

[dust1n]

Wow maybe if I forsake my God my ability to listen will be lost.

I have no idea what you are getting at here. Honestly, I find it difficult to even get what you are trying to say half the time, your responses are so short that I feel like I'm just getting snap judgment reactions to anything I say. There is nothing that entitles you to me being here talking about this then being somewhere else.

I prefer to hear than not to hear, if I have a choice.

You do, in terms of engaging with countless numbers of resources available regarding evolution, including the video of Yale Evolutionary Biology class, where the entire semester is recorded and up for free. Anyone can take advantage.

But if you would prefer to hear from me, you don't have a choice, because I wouldn't even know where to begin explaining. We can't agree on any single thing, so there is nothing to work off of. It would simply take too long, for something I'm rather certain will be in vain.

 

[savagewind]

What is the The Spirit of the Truth?

Off topic. This is such a nice place. There was a place where if you even went near the edge they would whack you. Or me, actually.

The Spirit of the Truth is the Helper sent by Yehoshua The Son for leading us into the truth. What is truth? Truth is true stuff.

 

[Alceste]

OK What about where they are in the museum and he says "that is not longer considered the way it is" and then he says "why is it still up?" and the answer is "because we have no funds to get it removed". Made up?

Science at its essence is the discovery of new knowledge. Inevitably, it is always growing and changing. Just as your perception of the world grew and shifted as you grew from a child to an adult, learning new things all along.

It is not economically possible to destroy every instance of an outdated premise the instant new knowledge is incorporated. Science is at the front lines of discovery. It always gets there first. The rest of us have to play catch-up. If that means waiting until we can raise the funds to update a museum exhibit to reflect our expanded understanding - rather than smashing it and leaving the space bare - that's OK, isn't it? It still has value. You can show it to your kids and say "this is what we used to think, but now we've learned more". The same way I explain the Bible to kids.