100 Reasons why Evolution is Stupid - Dr. Hovind

[I.S.L.A.M617]

You are right again! How does it feel? LOL

The theory of evolution has EVERYTHING to do with God's Word and even has to do with the Saints' written word, doesn't it?

In the beginning the word was and the word was god. OR

In the beginning there was no life and then there was.

Again you're confusing evolution with the origin of life.

 

[savagewind]

Again you're confusing evolution with the origin of life.

You might think so, yes. But I am not. I am confused how evolution makes man in the image of God if everything arrived in the same manner. I know you can hear me.

Evolution must insist a tree and a man are both the same. Both arrived in exactly the same manner. You can play your tricks. But I'm not falling for them.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

You might think so, yes. But I am not. I am confused how evolution makes man in the image of God if everything arrived in the same manner. I know you can hear me.

Evolution must insist a tree and a man are both the same. Both arrived in exactly the same manner. You can play your tricks. But I'm not falling for them.

How does it insist that a tree and man are the same? Also do trees not have DNA?

 

[freethinker44]

I'm still waiting for anyone to debate my prior post in this thread or to show me in a logical manor how any of the mechanisms for evolution work in real life examples.

You mean this post?

Let's say if Evolution is true their must be at least one case where we can compare two kinds that can interbreed but yet have different limb count or different rib count or different kinds of abilities of some level or sort that is the sort of evidence I would like to see if true and certainly it would exist in some form if evolution could be or would be true. Show me that if you can or answer the other questions that I posted if you can not show me physical evidence show me logical evidence. And no if it's smaller then my hand I don't want to see it.

I responded with this:

You mean something like if a llama and camel were able to reproduce.

Cama (animal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[savagewind]

How does it insist that a tree and man are the same? Also do trees not have DNA?

Trees have DNA.

 

[Sculelos]

You might think so, yes. But I am not. I am confused how evolution makes man in the image of God if everything arrived in the same manner. I know you can hear me.

Evolution must insist a tree and a man are both the same. Both arrived in exactly the same manner. You can play your tricks. But I'm not falling for them.

The story of evolution goes something like this.

1. In the beginning was nothing.
2. The nothingness collapsed.
3. This collapse formed a big bang.
4. The big bang formed galaxy's.
5. The galaxy's formed stars.
6. The stars formed planets.
7. The planets formed ground.
8. The ground formed water.
9. The water formed bacterium.
10. The bacterium combined to form plants.
11. The plants changed to create insects.
12. The insects changed to create fish.
13. The fish changed to create reptiles.
14. The reptiles changed to create birds.
15. The reptiles changed to create mammals.
16. The mammals changed to create humans.

At least that's pretty much how the story goes, what I can't fathom is how any evolutionist can say that they can believe the theory without believing in a whole lot of assumptions.

 

[Windwalker]

You might think so, yes. But I am not. I am confused how evolution makes man in the image of God if everything arrived in the same manner. I know you can hear me.

Evolution must insist a tree and a man are both the same. Both arrived in exactly the same manner. You can play your tricks. But I'm not falling for them.

You really should read my last post. No, evolution does not say a man and a tree are the same. We are all the same only inasmuch as we are formed of the elements of this planet. But our forms are different. I am not made of wood, nor a tree of flesh and bone.

Doesn't the Bible itself say man was formed of the earth? Doesn't evolution teach this as well, even if not in poetic and metaphoric imagery?

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Trees have DNA.

Do bacteria? All living things have DNA and even virus that aren't living have it. That alone shows some connection between all living things and even something not living

 

[tumbleweed41]

You might think so, yes. But I am not. I am confused how evolution makes man in the image of God ...

I have always seen that as mans desire to anthropomorphize God into his own image making it more centered on man than God.

You have already agreed it is possible that God gave the 'spark of life' to the 'primordial ooze'. It is from that point that science shows the common ancestry of all living things on earth.
As a believer in God, what is more amazing?

1. That man is a product of millions of years of natural evolution based on the laws of nature that God set in place at the beginning of the universe. (God centered)
2. Man was specially made by God from dirt to have dominion over all living things. (Man centered)

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

The story of evolution goes something like this.

1. In the beginning was nothing.
2. The nothingness collapsed.
3. This collapse formed a big bang.
4. The big bang formed galaxy's.
5. The galaxy's formed stars.
6. The stars formed planets.
7. The planets formed ground.
8. The ground formed water.
9. The water formed bacterium.

None of these have anything to do with evolution. Also, I've never once heard anyone say plants turned into insects... If that was the case, insects wouldn't have to eat and would use photosynthesis instead. You have no idea what you're talking about...

 

[Alceste]

I have no clue, zero imagination, about what that means. And I don't care.

That's Niel Degrasse Tyson, earth's most likable scientist. You said you've never met a scientist you liked. Wanna watch a video?

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

That's Niel Degrasse Tyson, earth's most likable scientist. You said you've never met a scientist you liked. Wanna watch a video?

I love that guy! Saw him on Real Time with Bill Maher and on the Colbert Report.

 

[Windwalker]

Someone says you can love God and also believe God does not tell the truth.

Who has ever said this? Or do you mean, that how you understand things, how you interpret things, is equal to God's thoughts and meanings?

Do you honestly believe these equate? I'd like you to answer that directly.

No you can't. I realize what God tells can be deciphered many ways, but in the end what you have is NEVER a lie.

It's not a lie, but your own incomplete understanding. At least you acknowledge that how your read Genesis, might have some margin for improvement.

If all life formed in primordial soup, like you say, then I cannot be in God's image because God, according to evolution, is nothing, and I am something. Nothing is not the image of something. Is it?

This is exactly the point I raised in this post before you said this here. Please read it and see if it doesn't directly address this: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3426889-post376.html

 

[Sculelos]

None of these have anything to do with evolution. Also, I've never once heard anyone say plants turned into insects... If that was the case, insects wouldn't have to eat and would use photosynthesis instead. You have no idea what you're talking about...

Well give me your version from the beginning of time to where we are now summarized simply if you think you can do better.

 

[Alceste]

You might think so, yes. But I am not. I am confused how evolution makes man in the image of God if everything arrived in the same manner. I know you can hear me.

Evolution must insist a tree and a man are both the same. Both arrived in exactly the same manner. You can play your tricks. But I'm not falling for them.

Evolution does't make man in the image of God. Theists who accept the fact of evolution believe it is how God made life. Doesn't have to be either/or unless you're committed to a very immature interpretation of scripture.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Well give me your version from the beginning of time to where we are now summarized simply if you think you can do better.

I never once claimed to know the origin of life. I'm just letting you know that the theory of evolution makes no claims as to how life originated.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Well give me your version from the beginning of time to where we are now summarized simply if you think you can do better.

I thought this was about biological evolution?

 

[Sculelos]

I thought this was about biological evolution?

If you watched the Video you would know Evolution has 5 parts.

1. Evolution of the Universe.
2. Evolution of Galaxies.
3. Evolution of Stars.
4. Evolution of Planets.
5. Evolution of Life.

At least that is how I've always seen it as but then again I must say that I am biases because I went to Church studies in my youth and watched all of Kent Hovinds Videos and even read some of his books.

 

[tumbleweed41]

The story of evolution goes something like this.

1. In the beginning was nothing.
2. The nothingness collapsed.
3. This collapse formed a big bang.
4. The big bang formed galaxy's.
5. The galaxy's formed stars.
6. The stars formed planets.
7. The planets formed ground.
8. The ground formed water.
9. The water formed bacterium.
10. The bacterium combined to form plants.
11. The plants changed to create insects.
12. The insects changed to create fish.
13. The fish changed to create reptiles.
14. The reptiles changed to create birds.
15. The reptiles changed to create mammals.
16. The mammals changed to create humans.

At least that's pretty much how the story goes, what I can't fathom is how any evolutionist can say that they can believe the theory without believing in a whole lot of assumptions.

1. In the beginning was nothing. Not related to biological evolution.
2. The nothingness collapsed. Not related to biological evolution.
3. This collapse formed a big bang. Not related to biological evolution.
4. The big bang formed galaxy's. Not related to biological evolution.
5. The galaxy's formed stars. Not related to biological evolution.
6. The stars formed planets. Not related to biological evolution.
7. The planets formed ground. :no:Not related to biological evolution.
8. The ground formed water. :no: Not related to biological evolution.
9. The water formed bacterium. :no: Not related to biological evolution.
10. The bacterium combined to form plants. That is not how biological evolution works.
11. The plants changed to create insects. That is not how biological evolution works.
12. The insects changed to create fish. That is not how biological evolution works.
13. The fish changed to create reptiles. That is not how biological evolution works.
14. The reptiles changed to create birds. Almost right.
15. The reptiles changed to create mammals. Not even close
16. The mammals changed to create humans. Humans ARE mammals.


Honestly, have you ever taken a basic biology course in your life?

 

[savagewind]

Who has ever said this? Or do you mean, that how you understand things, how you interpret things, is equal to God's thoughts and meanings?

Do you honestly believe these equate? I'd like you to answer that directly.


It's not a lie, but your own incomplete understanding. At least you acknowledge that how your read Genesis, might have some margin for improvement.


This is exactly the point I raised in this post before you said this here. Please read it and see if it doesn't directly address this: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3426889-post376.html

I am hearing you say you do not believe our everlasting life means knowing God. God the Creator and The Son of God. What does John 17:3 mean please? WHO is it we must know?

I read it. It is very nicely written. Someone (but not me haha) might say you come as an angel of light.

"life created us as part of its own unfolding" "It's"? I hope I never can call my God "it". OK? You say we are not life's crowning achievement. I believe that is absolute truth. But by calling life "it" you kinda put life above God's own Thought or equal to it. Nothing equals God imo. That's not my pun, I suppose. Huh? I must exist now as my mania has arrived. Sorry, it's been really great.